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Zhirek: So...
Jail time for a civil judicial procedure?
I mean that is the case isn't it. A company (you know something private which has no law enforcing power whatsoever) sues another company.
And the court decides that the other company should pay and the members should spend some time in jail.
I can't see this hold up further along the line and at least expect them not to be sentenced to jail.
If not, then weird things are going to happen in Sweden (and the rest of the world) where companies can change the law if they think that that could increase revenues.

You mean the furthering of the rampant corporatism we already have, where corporations become our governments??
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Sorry, my arrr-instincts were kicking in. Seriously, they can still appeal, so they're not going down this easily (especially when one of the people going to jail is a rich businessman).
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JudasIscariot: You mean the furthering of the rampant corporatism we already have, where corporations become our governments??

Yep, exactly that.
This happens all the time, when the auto mobile industry grew and the horses and carts had to make way for progression there were companies trying to change the laws.
Now we can see that that was stupid behaviour from the companies.
Now the same thing is happening and people are blinded by subjectivity.
If you look at the numbers which are widely available you'll see that the entertainment industry as a whole increases every year (games, music, cinema, dvd).
The only thing which is happening the last couple of years is that more of the pie goes to the gaming industry, this means that there is less pie to divide between the rest.
That's the only reason why music sales are down.
Piracy has no influence whatsoever on total customer spending on entertainment products
By the way, this entire affair feels oddly similar...Napster anyone??
Taking bets that in a few years, The Pirate Bay will have been shut down and then made "legitimate".
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JudasIscariot: By the way, this entire affair feels oddly similar...Napster anyone??
Taking bets that in a few years, The Pirate Bay will have been shut down and then made "legitimate".

I really doubt with a name as The Pirate Bay, they'll go legit anytime soon.
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JudasIscariot: By the way, this entire affair feels oddly similar...Napster anyone??
Taking bets that in a few years, The Pirate Bay will have been shut down and then made "legitimate".
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michaelleung: I really doubt with a name as The Pirate Bay, they'll go legit anytime soon.

Names can be changed and there could be tags for a while ("formerly The Pirate Bay") until customers become familiar with the service. Like I said before, this just feels so damn familiar to me as I remember the Napster trials..
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michaelleung: I really doubt with a name as The Pirate Bay, they'll go legit anytime soon.
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JudasIscariot: Names can be changed and there could be tags for a while ("formerly The Pirate Bay") until customers become familiar with the service. Like I said before, this just feels so damn familiar to me as I remember the Napster trials..

Except if the corporations actually wanted us to have cheap and reliable access to a vast library of music, film and TV from the moment it was released, they would have done it already.
The trouble with that is, they love their regional pricing differences, multiple "special" releases, compilations, regional release dates and so on.
I'd love to be able to see Heroes whenever I like, but legally I have to watch on a monday night or through BBC iPlayer which has time limits (7 days from broadcast.) and doesn't include the BBC3 episode for some reason.
Basically, they could do much much more to prevent people from even thinking about piracy.
This seems to me to be exactly like Napster in one way only, and that is they want to stomp on someone to vent their frustration and to try and tell pirates that they can come and find you, and put you in jail.
Thinking about how little of the entertainment industry that any given person will actually find any good and willing to pay hard cash for (and there are in general a lot more frighteningly bad movies than really good movies), the consumers should have the right to screen what we want to purchase. Maybe then they would realize the need to release quality products.
Honestly though, they never will make any attempt to get with the times, at least not until another generation has passed (by which there will be new times). They're far too fond of all the garbage they've cooked up by now, the regional pricing, all the "special" releases (every movie gets at least two different "special" or "limited" or "extended" editions which honestly contain fuck all other than the original movie).
When the telephone first came along there was an outcry by the same types of people, wanting to ban telephones because now we'd never need to go out of the house to actually see eachother anymore, right? The piracy-hunting media corporations of today seem to follow the same demented logic, which just proves one thing.
Darwin was correct about evolution being a slow process.
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stonebro: When the telephone first came along there was an outcry by the same types of people, wanting to ban telephones because now we'd never need to go out of the house to actually see eachother anymore, right? The piracy-hunting media corporations of today seem to follow the same demented logic, which just proves one thing.

Happened before the telephone too
http://techdirt.com/articles/20070110/004225.shtml
Post edited April 17, 2009 by Aliasalpha
Hmmm.... on the one hand it seems pretty harsh, as they weren't actually hosting any files, only links to them.
Generally I'm anti piracy, and thats why i like sites that allow me to buy games (like GOG).
However I often find that I'm NOT ALLOWED to buy or receive the things I want to pay for. Not so much games, but many TV shows etc... aren't even released in my country. Leaving things unaccessible.
Its gotten much worse since I moved abroad. I now have very little alternative for accessing media from even my home country. I'd happily PAY for HULU or iplayer - yet they won't let me.
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Somehow its kind of sad that there doesn't seem to be a way to make bittorrent work legally. The idea that in 5-30 minutes you can have any album, movie, tv show, video game, book or software at your fingertips is like something out of Star Trek.
Its a shame they never really worked out a way to tax it and distribute profits to the authors.
I guess utopia always has a downside...
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soulgrindr: Somehow its kind of sad that there doesn't seem to be a way to make bittorrent work legally.

The BBC iPlayer, 4 On Demand and other services all use P2P networks, very similar to bittorrent.
Unfortunately, their output is limited, and the quality varies (BBC is good, others, can be slow and difficult to use). This is an issue of copyright, and the vast power that copyright holders have over their content even years after they have produced it. (see further, games and GOG).
The ability to achieve the goal of cheap, available content across borders is available. The will to do this does not. Why? because there are many people who are still getting absurdly rich by the old methods, and they have a lot of say in the future (and the law, it would seem).
Well, at least I will try to look on the bright side still ( considering the case ain't over until the appeal is over with ).
We've all lived through with[ the printing press , the photocopier, the eight track,the VCR and now the internet.
All these pieces of technology have to some extent allowed people to copy illegally yet they still have survived gracefully, even though some had different types of copy protection on them. Granted, today technology has made it alot easier for people to get whatever they want whenever they want, just as technology have given the music\film\game industry even more ways to stop this. It is just a shame that many of these attempts have been of the "we are assuming you are a thief until proven otherwise" sort of protection and thus making it even more tempting to have a pirated copy that is free of all the hassles.
I seriously think that for things to work in this digital age there has to be two things that has to change.
The most important one is that the entertainment industry actually get some fresh young blood into the higher echelons who understand technology, the current generation of kids and adolescents and who can find a decent way to distribute and sell their content online without having too many strings attached on how, where and when we can use this content. In other words, the current pricing, regional and copy protection crap needs to be changed. And unfortunately for them, I believe they're going to have to live providing content at a lower price than before because we are mainly dealing with digital content and not any physical media, not to mention that the whole world is our oyster on the internet, so we have more competition.
The second thing that needs to change is the mindset of people. Because of the ease of copying and distributing online it seems that many people just expect they can get anything for free without paying for it. I find that wrong as well. Hopefully reduced pricing, increased availability and ability to play your tunes or games wherever you want will help swing people over to supporting the people that make all this content that we so much enjoy. That's why I am hoping that sites like gog.com and whatever other sites that may pop up along the similar vein, will give more people a reason to just that. It is kind of funny, but I am sure that considering the games here are DRM free it would be a breeze to share with everyone. Yet not for one second have I contemplated giving a copy to anyone else - that's how glad and supportive I am of a site and the developers\publishers that are on here that actually treats me like a normal paying customer and not a thief.
( this is just my personal opinion based on what I've been reading on different forums, and I do not have any hard facts to back up the previous paragraphs ).
Yes, its a tall order to get this stuff changed and I am sure it will be a long bumpy road where we haven't heard the last of the stupidity of MPAA, RIAA and those politicans who sucumb to their pressure. In the end, I believe that as time moves on, both technology and the fact that the old guard will disappear will benefit us more than them.
To quote Louis Armstrong - "We have all the time in the world".
It's sad, indeed. But I'm personally mostly angered. Cencorship of websites, movies, games, music and similar pisses me off. RIAA, MPAA, IFPI and all those greedy maggots don't care about rights.
I'm feeling very much inclined to curb stomp anyone that associates with them on a business level in my proximity, because they do nothing more than encourage the prohibition and cencorship of the most basic of human rights, needed in a free society.
Yay! They lost!
/me runs and hides from the pitchforks and torches...
Yeah I'm just trolling you. But seriously though I'm not surprised. As far as I'm concerned the prosecution could have walked in with a paper doll and said "Your honor, this is a paper doll. This paper doll is made of paper. We rest our case. Lulz." and the judge would have ruled in their favour. I don't know whether this was because of corruption, bias or some other reason, but I'll leave that up to smarter people (I know nothing of software) than myself to figure out.
I find it funny people find this conviction sad. The fuckers deserve to go to jail.