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Never used paypal and never will, their reputation scares me.
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Bloodygoodgames: Unfortunately, it's par for the course with many large American corporations these days -- that's why I avoid using most of them.

And....it's Google, who is willingly sending all your personal information to the NSA and the US government. Couldn't pay me to touch them with a 10 foot pole.
Wow. I've noticed this before but never commented as I think you are a great contributor when you aren't speaking about your obsessive hatred for all things American. You might want to see a therapist about it.

Its also hilarious when you use neteller because its UK-based. The UK government, as mentioned by another poster, does the exact same spying and is an active partner in US intelligence programs. Large UK corporations (and I would say, most large corporations) exhibit the same traits you describe as "American". Give it a rest.

Anyway, I've been using PayPal since it started as a small company before it became a big, bad, imperialist, consumer-hating American monopoly and never once had a problem. I don't keep money in my account which is just common sense - the internet is not a safe place to keep "digital" money just sitting there unused.

That doesn't prevent me from thinking their decision to hold 50% of crowd-source funding from the developer is ridiculous. Thankfully they reversed it.
If Paypal sucks so much, why is Paypal so popular?
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monkeydelarge: If Paypal sucks so much, why is Paypal so popular?
No alternatives that universal enough.
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monkeydelarge: If Paypal sucks so much, why is Paypal so popular?
Why are Steam and Windows so popular? :P

PayPal had a head start and the right ties very soon. They owe everything to eBay which actually acquired PayPal pretty soon after supporting it. Thanks to eBay PayPal was suddenly almost omnipresent and appeared trustworthy and it was easy for them to spread from there. And the service is good enough not to scare off the vast majority of its users. That's pretty much it.
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monkeydelarge: If Paypal sucks so much, why is Paypal so popular?
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F4LL0UT: Why are Steam and Windows so popular? :P

PayPal had a head start and the right ties very soon. They owe everything to eBay which actually acquired PayPal pretty soon after supporting it. Thanks to eBay PayPal was suddenly almost omnipresent and appeared trustworthy and it was easy for them to spread from there. And the service is good enough not to scare off the vast majority of its users. That's pretty much it.
Steam doesn't suck and Windows is needed for most computer games.
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monkeydelarge: Steam doesn't suck
If you say so. Doesn't change the fact that Steam owes most of its success to being faster than the competition and Half-Life's popularity.

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monkeydelarge: Windows is needed for most computer games.
You have to wonder *why* Windows is necessary for computer games - and it's for similar reasons why you almost need PayPal for online purchases (unless you're willing/able to use credit cards for that). PayPal's deal with eBay was analogous to Microsoft's deal with IBM. They couldn't have ever become as powerful nearly as fast (if at all) without arrangements with already powerful parties.
success of Microsoft is heavily shadowed by unethical corporate behaviour. They backstabbed every partner they had in order to get where they are now.
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Bloodygoodgames: Unfortunately, it's par for the course with many large American corporations these days -- that's why I avoid using most of them.

And....it's Google, who is willingly sending all your personal information to the NSA and the US government. Couldn't pay me to touch them with a 10 foot pole.
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CrowTRobo: Wow. I've noticed this before but never commented as I think you are a great contributor when you aren't speaking about your obsessive hatred for all things American. You might want to see a therapist about it.

Its also hilarious when you use neteller because its UK-based. The UK government, as mentioned by another poster, does the exact same spying and is an active partner in US intelligence programs. Large UK corporations (and I would say, most large corporations) exhibit the same traits you describe as "American". Give it a rest.

Anyway, I've been using PayPal since it started as a small company before it became a big, bad, imperialist, consumer-hating American monopoly and never once had a problem. I don't keep money in my account which is just common sense - the internet is not a safe place to keep "digital" money just sitting there unused.

That doesn't prevent me from thinking their decision to hold 50% of crowd-source funding from the developer is ridiculous. Thankfully they reversed it.
I detest the US and pretty much everything it stands for, and I've never hidden that. Amazingly, much of the world does too. You should get out more.

And as for "seeing a therapist". What? Because I won't support anything about a country that illegally bombs other countries, illegally invades them, supports Israel above its own citizens, spies on the world and on and on. Honestly, if YOU don't think there's something wrong with that, it's you that needs to see a therapist.

And yes the UK is the same unfortunately although at least British members of parliament voted against illegally bombing Syria -- without that British vote, and America thus losing its "ally", the US would have bombed them by now.

But I'm British so, if I have a choice of one disgusting warmongering spying country over another and no other reasonable choice for the services I need, unfortunately, I'll choose the country I was born in and not the country I mistakenly spent many years in before I realized I detested everything about it.

If, however, a halfway decent country like Germany, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Netherlands etc. started to create and promote their own internet-based businesses that are similar to what the American mega corporations are pushing, I'd be supporting them with so much money they wouldn't know what hit them.

As for why I hate the US, there was an excellent article published by The Guardian yesterday showing so many instances of why it's such an odious country - warmongering, its illegal bombings and invasions of other countries, the US refusal to stop stockpiling its own chemical weapons and landmines while telling other countries they must, the US refusing to sign international treaties that every other democracy on the planet signs etc etc are just the start for me.

Obama's Rogue State Tramples Over Every Law It Demands Others Uphold -- http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/09/obama-rogue-state-tramples-every-law

Funnily, the US has spent years trying to persuade people its tantamount to being the devil if you detest the US. Weirdly, hundreds of millions of us don't agree. Thank God.
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Bloodygoodgames: I detest the US and pretty much everything it stands for, and I've never hidden that. Amazingly, much of the world does too. You should get out more.
I never said others don't hate the US. We all understand your opinion, but you seem to have a need to express your hatred constantly. It seems to border on obsession, which is why I said you might want to see a therapist. I actually regret putting that in there, I was in a bad mood that day. There are lots of people who hate the US, but do you have proof that its "much" of the world? Or maybe just those people, especially on the internet, are extremely loud about it (like yourself)? I've encountered so many people on the internet who don't have a clue about politics, international affairs, etc. who express US hatred simply because its trendy.

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Bloodygoodgames: And as for "seeing a therapist". What? Because I won't support anything about a country that illegally bombs other countries, illegally invades them, supports Israel above its own citizens, spies on the world and on and on. Honestly, if YOU don't think there's something wrong with that, it's you that needs to see a therapist.
I think there are plenty things wrong with what the US government does. I've never claimed otherwise. I couldn't stand George W. Bush. But I didn't go around constantly talking about it like a broken record on internet forums. That would just be annoying.

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Bloodygoodgames: And yes the UK is the same unfortunately although at least British members of parliament voted against illegally bombing Syria -- without that British vote, and America thus losing its "ally", the US would have bombed them by now.
I think its ridiculous that the President even considered bombing Syria. I also find it hypocritical as well. I don't like the idea of being the world's police. But this is what happens when you have a hegemony. Any other country would act the same way if they traded places. History has shown this over and over again.

But again, there really isn't a need to express my opinions on the subject repeatedly in any topic I can find a way to stick them into.

BTW, just a quick thought. I wouldn't necessarily include Germany as a half-way decent country if you hate the US. Germany hosts numerous US military bases and supports the largest population of American military personnel outside the US, Afghanistan and Iraq.
Post edited September 12, 2013 by CrowTRobo
I like paypal, i use it for gog, steam, indiegamestand, and to play mmo's, if a mmo does not support paypal i don't play it because i don't use creditcards.
Paypal never charge me a penny for all my transactions and that's what i love about it, using a creditcard cost me more because they charge for transactions.
I supported also star citizen and numenera with paypal without any problem.
I've never had an issue with paypal, but have signed up with dwolla and it seems a very cheap alternative when it comes to low transaction fees. I haven't seen many places that take them yet though. It's more of a peer to peer payment system at the moment - but with very low fees.