I am aware of this but both games had bug problems

Your beloved Morrowind also had bugs. Tons of them.

I played through most of FO:NV when it came out, and I didn't run into any significant problems. Just the standard bug in the engine which nobody seems to care about fixing. You know the one where sometimes things fly and other times bodies get mutilated randomly.

It's in all the games I've ever played that use that engine, so I'm guessing that whoever it is that made the engine doesn't care about fixing the problem.

Yeah he's right. This game is still playable and enjoyable. My play through had only about 2 (noticeable) glitches, they weren't really game breaking.

So far everyone seems to be talking about massive rpg's. Devs might be a little too ambitious and use patches to compensate but that doesn't necessarily mean the rest are. PSN has been down and I have played a couple of new games start to finish w/ out support. How long do you want to wait for the next Elder/Fallout (if you're a fan)? "Until its done" could be dev hell. Not every game comes out of there like duke nukem.

That's because they're pretty much the only ones where there's a valid excuse for not getting it damn near perfect for release. Everybody else ought to be able to do the testing as there's a much less diverse set of conditions possible.

Cool, as long as you're aware. Personally the only bug I noticed in NV was when loading saved games at certain outposts there would be dead radscorpions floating in the air and in between the air and ground, as well as at launch certain npc's moved in slow motion due to a bug with the facial feature programming..

Not sure if they patched that bug yet or not, haven't really had the time to play through it again since wiping the OS due to Windows deciding my restore point would yield only a gray screen on startup.

Note to self: Do not ever install another SP again right after it's launched, ever, Cym. DO NOT DO IT. Better....

Anyway I understand most games in this day and age are more complex, or so they say, however with so many games recycling previously used engines, there's no excuse to not have a superiorly polished game released. Saying that, I did not have problems on my setup with New Vegas, like a lot of people seemed to at launch.