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Posted January 27, 2012
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thebum06: You can call it greed if you want, but the sole purpose of a corporation is to profit as much as possible.
I wish people would quit saying this, first of all it's sociopathic and second of all, it's not even true. There's been plenty of successful corps that have not acted in such a manner.
Posted January 27, 2012
I still believe most of the biggest video game publishers are of the kind that I speak of. But that's really going far away from the point I was (unsuccessfully) trying to make.

I don't actually agree with the publishers' decision on trying to get rid of the used games market, but I can see their reasons for wanting to do so and I know that most of them will not stop attempting until it's gone. It's exactly the same as the fight against piracy really. What I was trying to say in my initial post was that the publishers should provide alternative means of resale (or an entirely different distribution method) if they want to combat the second hand problem. But they most likely won't do that since they consider it so much of a problem that they can't see beyond the "remove it permanently" solution.

I probably didn't get my point across properly since I can't think very clearly atm. I really should stop attempting to post constructively on an Internet forum at 5AM.
Post edited January 27, 2012 by thebum06
Posted January 27, 2012
I knew this was going to come sooner or later. Im not overly worried about it though. Sure, im dissapointed, and rather annoyed. Its not the end of the world or anything though. PC has eliminated used game sales years ago now, and its done alright. I find it odd that so many of you think this is going to kill the next Xbox when your on a PC gaming forum. You should be more aware than anyone that this wont happen.
Posted January 27, 2012
And the role of a consumer society is to ensure that only corporations with the best products succeed. The problem is most people lack conviction.
Posted January 27, 2012
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Denezan: And that is the point exactly. Pure and simple greed. Screw the stores that sell our games, we want ALL the profit and for them not to make a single penny. Oh I tell ya, if they try this with every piece of technology in trading stores, there would be a riot on there hands lol
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thebum06: You can call it greed if you want, but the sole purpose of a corporation is to profit as much as possible. The only reason they exist is to maximize profit, so they're not going to stop attempting get rid of elements they consider a threat to their profit. Even if people consider them greedy because of it.
If those people couldn't buy it used they'd simply borrow, pirate, rent, play at a friend's house, or do without.
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thebum06: I didn't think those 5£ they save by buying used would make or break the purchase for them, but then again I've never touched the used game market myself so you probably know more about that than I do. I just think a comparison to the used car market is a bit of a stretch considering the huge price difference between the two.


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I have a few questions for you thebum06. Have you ever bought a second hand TV, or dvd player? Where do you think that money goes when you buy it? To the people who created them or to the store selling them? Has it hurt the TV industry or DVD player industry by trading secondhand devices? Can you even see where my point is leading?
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thebum06: I've never bought anything second hand, nope.
Out of all the questions I posted, you only answer one of them. How curious...
Posted January 27, 2012
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thebum06: You can call it greed if you want, but the sole purpose of a corporation is to profit as much as possible.
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orcishgamer: I wish people would quit saying this, first of all it's sociopathic and second of all, it's not even true. There's been plenty of successful corps that have not acted in such a manner.
Indeed. The purpose of a corporation is whatever purpose is laid out in the corporate charter. Additionally, people often forget that incorporation was initially a privilege granted by governments, and was only done so when it served the public interest (and a corporate charter could and would be revoked if it was deemed that it no longer served the public interest). It was really only from the mid-1800s onward that the concept of incorporation turned into the shield for sociopaths that many today view it as.
Posted January 27, 2012
I understand wanting to make a good profit, but to try to do so in this fashion is foolish. It's on par with Verizon trying to charge their customers $2 when they try to pay their bill. Used games are already well established in the marketplace and Microsoft changing it's stance will shift some customers back to their console competitors Sony and Nintendo.
Posted January 28, 2012
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MobiusArcher: I knew this was going to come sooner or later. Im not overly worried about it though. Sure, im dissapointed, and rather annoyed. Its not the end of the world or anything though. PC has eliminated used game sales years ago now, and its done alright. I find it odd that so many of you think this is going to kill the next Xbox when your on a PC gaming forum. You should be more aware than anyone that this wont happen.
PC's have millions of configurations and installation is mandatory. Multiplayer offline gaming is much more limited on a PC as well. Sharing in that instance isn't as desirable as swapping games that are guaranteed to work because the hardware is identical on consoles. Not to mention actual plug and play when brining games to a friends house to play. Going to be sad when friends need to lug their entire system to a friends house even though said friend also has the same console. That or stare at a progress bar for hours if you login to their system and wait for a game to get downloaded to their console.
Post edited January 28, 2012 by Kabuto
Posted January 28, 2012
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thebum06: You can call it greed if you want, but the sole purpose of a corporation is to profit as much as possible. The only reason they exist is to maximize profit, so they're not going to stop attempting get rid of elements they consider a threat to their profit. Even if people consider them greedy because of it.




I didn't think those 5£ they save by buying used would make or break the purchase for them, but then again I've never touched the used game market myself so you probably know more about that than I do. I just think a comparison to the used car market is a bit of a stretch considering the huge price difference between the two.


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I've never bought anything second hand, nope.
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Denezan: Out of all the questions I posted, you only answer one of them. How curious...
I'm tired, and it had nothing to do with the point I was trying to make anyway. I edited my first post on this page, it should hopefully get the point across properly (if not, I give up for now. I need some sleep soon).
Posted January 28, 2012
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thebum06: I still believe most of the biggest video game publishers are of the kind that I speak of. But that's really going far away from the point I was (unsuccessfully) trying to make.

I don't actually agree with the publishers' decision on trying to get rid of the used games market, but I can see their reasons for wanting to do so and I know that most of them will not stop attempting until it's gone. It's exactly the same as the fight against piracy really. What I was trying to say in my initial post was that the publishers should provide alternative means of resale (or an entirely different distribution method) if they want to combat the second hand problem. But they most likely won't do that since they consider it so much of a problem that they can't see beyond the "remove it permanently" solution.

I probably didn't get my point across properly since I can't think very clearly atm. I really should stop attempting to post constructively on an Internet forum at 5AM.
I see only one reason. Greed. The fact is, the second hand market has been around for a very long time, in all shapes and sizes. It is there for those of us without money to burn, unable to afford to buy brand new things, who instead have to resort to buying secondhand. That includes games and other items. Once they start trying to take that away from people, what are we left with?

I have bought second hand consoles, I have bought second hand games, I have bought *restored* pc parts and I have also bought second hand dvd players, TV's and other items. In the grand scheme of things, this has not done anything to any of these individual Company's except help them make profit by those with the money to burn to purchase brand new items.

As for your point regarding alternative means of resale, any way you look at it, they will still be second hand.
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