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predcon: What was it, exactly, that people didn't like about Sonic 4? Was it because it was episodic? Was it because it didn't have the classic 16 and 8-bit sprites and backgrounds? To these complaints I say A) The "episodic" nature began when Sonic Team had to split up Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles, and B) Classic sprites and backgrounds aren't really a big selling point, except for a "leading minority" of players. Look at Mega Man 9 and 10, and tell me that they sold solely on the basis of 8-bit graphics and chiptunes.

I'm also not sure I agree with the description of the Dreamcast as a "martyr" console. Mostly because I can't see a machine dying for it's beliefs or faith, as is the definition of "martyr", but also because part of the reason of it's failure lay with Sega's poor marketing of the thing. It's true for all of their consoles. To this day, I have no idea what "blast processing" is, and I can't remember one really outstanding Saturn advert. Many good machines have fallen prey to bad advertising and even worse management (look up Mehdi Ali and Irving Gould), though the community "fanbase" of those machines would just as quickly, and often erroneously, attribute the fall of said machines to conspiracy from larger competitors (Microsoft killed the Amiga, etc..).

That was long-winded and largely off-topic, but I just wanted to put a couple things in perspective for both the proponents and opponents of the Dreamcast.
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tejozaszaszas: Dreamcast was a great machine and SEGA made awesome games for it. Sadly it was a company that los most of their credit with two bad products, Mega Cd and 32x and a mediocre one (Saturn).
32X I can understand but...are you actually calling the MEGA CD a bad product? Get out of here

Hell, even the 32X has more good games than the Kinect so I'll let you figure out the rest
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tejozaszaszas:
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Roman5: 32X I can understand but...are you actually calling the MEGA CD a bad product? Get out of here

Hell, even the 32X has more good games than the Kinect so I'll let you figure out the rest
Get ou of here? Get lost. When you make a console you must provide it with great games, Mega Drive had them, Dreamcast had them, but Mega CD only have a few really good games. Even Sonic CD were not so great as many people say... And it was the game that introduced Amy as a character, I will never forgive SEGA for that.
Post edited April 11, 2011 by tejozaszaszas
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Roman5: 32X I can understand but...are you actually calling the MEGA CD a bad product? Get out of here

Hell, even the 32X has more good games than the Kinect so I'll let you figure out the rest
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tejozaszaszas: Get ou of here? Get lost. When you make a console you must provide it with great games, Mega Drive had them, Dreamcast had them, but Mega CD only have a few really good games. Even Sonic CD were not so great as many people say... And it was the game that introduced Amy as a character, I will never forgive them for that.
while the MEGA CD definitely had tons of Crap FMV "video" games it also had plenty of good ones

you just seem to be unfamiliar with the library...like a lot of other people
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tejozaszaszas: Dreamcast was a great machine and SEGA made awesome games for it. Sadly it was a company that lost most of their credit with two bad products, Mega Cd and 32x and a mediocre one (Saturn).
The Sega CD is definately for the Sega fanboys like me. It gives you the oppurtunity to play special editions of games that were already released for Genesis. And let's not even talk about the FMV titles. 32X gets a lot more flak than it deserves. They may have only released 36 games for it but it was only available for 10 months.

As for Sonic 4, I've probably played the first episode a dozen times now. It's true that it doesn't play exactly like the originals but each game in the original series played differently from the previous one. Level design was improved each time to make the game more enjoyable and the Physics engine was changed each time to accomodate these improvements. And the graphics are supposed to be improved with each iteration.

And I like the direction Mega Man 9 & 10 took, but I think Sonic 4 is better. The new age 2D sprites are delightful. And I've always prefered episodic releases. If you don't like the begining of the game, you won't have to purchase the rest of it. Plus I can play the first episode now, before the entire game is complete.
http://youtu.be/VonhgARLb5U
This feels appropriate...
http://youtu.be/pVI6Agm1-kY
And this.
Post edited April 13, 2011 by TheCheese33
Another new Trailer! Everybody, check it out.