Saw that on Twitter. Everything I loveed about MoH is gone now.
Yeah, I love historial shooters (WW2 never gets old for me) more than modern shooters and I do agree with having lesser-known wars made into games. The Chinese civil war, the Korean War are all good places to start.
Too bad people will bitch about it being insulting anyway. I'm guessing one of the reasons why people still do WW2 is because everyone has nothing to say about people shooting Nazis.

WW2 shooters will never get old for me. I stopped following the CoD series when they moved to warfare of the more recent variety.

I think I need a new dictionary.

Allied Assault and first MoH was the best. But others were really bad for me. I hope EA can make this title great like the past.

HA. Dream on. While EA has a lot of good games I don't think they're all too great at doing franchises much justice these days.

Agreed, hehe. Hey Akwater, provide a US mil. dictionary for us. :)
I read that EA will reduce from 50s to 40s number of releases, so probably they will stick with the famous ones and milk it all.
It's sad to see a lot of modern era games coming, and no one innovating, it's always americans or americans vs. nazis. There is the resurrection of the "Spec Ops" series too.
One thing I don't understand is why so much rage on a single picture released.

The problem with "modern combat" scenarios is that since it's mostly a created story by the developers, it tends to go overboard or hollywoodish, like in the case of cod6. Usually modern settings means either killing middle easteners or killing russians. Though that's not probably a good example, since infinity ward makes everything hollywoodish, including ww2. If you don't expect this new MoH game to be hollywoodish, well, duh, who created the franchise? A hollywood director. :P I would like to see that Fallujah game to come out. It's really a stupid self-serving hypocrisy that keeps this realistic gritty game from being released, while hollywoodish "we're so great" "Go America!" games like Call of Duty are not only allowed but are massive successes.
Some good mentions of other "less popular" conflicts have been mentioned. They have been the subject of mods for games like Battlefield 2, havent they? Come to think of it, why do the BF devs don't focus on a specific less popular conflict? Was BF:V that much of a flop? BF: Korea, BF: Golan Heights invasion, and the like. Maybe since they want to ensure 8 digits returns in sales, they dont want to make games where people playing aren't the absolute awesome heroes. :P

Yes, I expect it to be hollywood-ish, it was from the beginning, even compared with Saving Private Ryan. But it's good to see competition coming from EA and others.
Maybe this competition for sales will bring some innovation, like the beard image (that already caused some rage cause everyone is familiarized with the WW2 hero thingie).
And we don't know where the hell Battlefield 3 will be, if it will have a strong single-player or what. COD will split to past eras, EA will split with MoH to see the public reaction to a gritty setting. And then DICE attacks using the market feedback to build BF3, at the same time of the failure/sucess of COD8 if it will be that MMO-style.

Well, havent the battlefield games all been about MP? Just capture the points to win the game type? I'd like to see a BF3 have an actual campaign, and one that doesnt involve the usa, russia and a middle-eastern coalition.

Battlefield: Bad Company got a single-player campaign, but I don't know much about it and the story of BF:BC2.

Well, of course devs are going to make marketable games...marketable games SELL. You guys seem to forget sometimes that people's jobs are on the line here. Release a dud and your studio goes under? You're unemployed.
Want to see more diversity from game companies? Get buyers to take chances are purchasing something other than the same old, same old all the time. Nobody is going to take a chance if that chance won't be purchased and will put them out of a job.

Fancy futureforce American military masturbation is the new WW2 in FPS's. If anything, WWII should have taught us that nationalism is a bad thing, rather than trying to frame every future conflict in good vs. bad terms like the current wave of games are. I am from the US, so it must be even more frustrating to those of you in the rest of the world seeing us portrayed as an elite team of righteous crusaders who spread freedom.
Don't get me wrong, I do not resent my country, I love its principles. I would fight for it in a situation of domestic defense; like if the racist neo-Confederates in the south got their wish for another civil war. Not to be used as a political tool in Iraq exploited by private military contractors making billions off of US soldier's and innocents deaths. I think it's wrong to portray any military in the way games like COD4 do with marines, no less one with a track record as spotty as the US.

I think I need a new dictionary
Agreed, hehe. Hey Akwater, provide a US mil. dictionary for us. :)
Ok it is early but and I havent had my coffee so my spelling may be off....
SF= Special Forces (dick heads who buy Monster Energy Drinks by the pallet load leaving the shitty Orignal Coffee ones for everyone else, they also are not subject to nearly half the rules and regulations that the rest of us are supposed to follow)
Terp= Interpeter (Sometimes Iraqi, sometimes Afgani, they know the lay of the land, the people, and if you need vodka, real beer, or anything they will have the hook up, the american terps make 200k+ a year while the locals make about 60k)
FOBs = Forward Operating Bases sometimes refered to as COBs=Contingency operating bases, COSs which are the small middle of nowhere little outposts where like anywhere from 25 to 100 personal are. Contingency Operating stations are the shitty place to be, you get to shit in a bag, sleep in a tent, no internet, just shitty living there normally.
BDU= Battle Dress Uniform standard uniform for Army personal
Digi = Digital Cammoflagued BDU
CAC= Common Access Card
MWR= Moral Warfare and Recreation (the places where concerts are held, internet, phone rooms, video game systems, library, where we work out)
um.................... Now I gotta get some coffee....
You also fail to see the fact is without contractors over here how many more Soliders would be here? For every Fighting solider here there is 3-10more SOLIDERS behind that person providing logistical, communication, medical support.
How many Contract personal are here... Well it takes about One thousand Personal cooking day in and day out who are not military to make sure that three thousand soliders have hot meals. There are 800 people here working laundry with a 72 hour turn around for that same three thousand troops. There is 25 people here providing water treatment for that same amount of troops. Another 25 people for waste water treatment.
For every 10 soliders there is 100 contracted personal to ensure they while not on mission have everything from Power, water, internet, phones, smokes, fuel, and anything else you can think of.
Deaths of contractors are unreported (unless they go off the base and get drunk, and get their head chopped off in the process)
I am a civillian, I work for the Department of Defense, if you want to call it a company thats fine, but for us to provide the same services that all those companies provide it would cost 200 to 300 times more money. I am a GS15 and my one position used to be held by 37 soliders, Yes thats Thirty Seven soliders. I have a staff of me. I report directly to the base commander daily.
37 soliders from e1 (private) to e7's (first sarg) each making about 3k a month for an e1, the e7's were earning more obviously. But even if I replaced 37 e1's at 3k a month that would be about 111 thousand dollars a month. Now I wish I could say I earned that, but I don't. Sure I make six figures a year and yet the military could put those same 37 soliders back on the ground and spend what I make in a year in ONE MONTH.
Granted some contractors make 400 Dollars a month ie the people cooking the soliders food, but should we instead have 1000 soliders making at least 3k per month...... 1000 people making 400 (subcontract workers) vs 1000(soliders) people making 3k...
If I need a job done and I need to hire someone to do XYZ, and different companies bid on it, I choose who I want based on price preformance time frames and other data. Say the winning bid is 2mill, the company hires workers who will work for 1 dollar a day, and spends 1mill on labor/supplies. The company made 1 mil profit, and yet their workers may have only made a a couple hundred bucks per person, is that wrong?
Not to be used as a political tool in Iraq exploited by private military contractors making billions off of US soldier's and innocents deaths
I know some military contractors here, and NONE of them make Billions. Their company might make billions but each person working for that company does not make a billion.
Think of it this way, McDonald's posts $1.1 billion in profit on European sales does that mean each person working at McDonalds in Europe makes a billion dollars Or that their COMPANY made a billion?
Blackwater may have made more then a trillion bucks scince Iraq started but each one of their personall doesnt make that much.
There are about 100,000 government contractors operating in Iraq, not counting subcontractors, which I can not even find estimates on. Yet there is 150,000 Soliders here, So lets get rid of all the contractors reinstate the draft so we can fill those voids.
No solider here has peeled a potato or worked KP (cleaning cooking etc in the dining area).
Lets not forget that the 100,000+ contractors in Iraq could be Johnny down the block or even you.
Like it or not Contract personal are vital, the military DOES NOT have the people to do everything we do. The only way the Military could get those numbers would be to reinstate the draft, which would kill moral, and cause more harm to our soliders who take their job seriously.
There are soliders here who have done three or four tours of combat duty, soliders have been stop lossed, and if you want to not use civilian personal those same soliders would have never left. Iraq Started in 2003, if I have done 4 tours each lasting 15 months in Iraq that would mean out of 72 months I would have been here for 60 of those months.
Sorry this is one issue I am heated about.

Thanks for explaining your situation, my post was definitely too vague and unspecific and I didn't mean to convey any sort of hatred towards guys on the ground like you. I meant the business aspect of halliburton or black water, the stock analysts and CEOs and such who put profit over people, not the individual contractors who are just doing their job.
I know sometimes soldiers don't like you guys too much and complain about the pay and such but being a civilian I don't have any of that resentment. I think the contractors like the ones who got blackwater's license revoked are by no means the norm; and as you pointed out there are so many of you guys it's dumb to assume you're all war criminals when most don't even serve combat purposes.
Since it's such a broad role I understand now why it could seem like I was advocating getting rid of all contractors; I didn't mean that because I know what a large roll it fills in creating infrastructure and stability key to withdrawal. I'm against the war and suspicious of the motives, but those decisions were made by politicians and executives; not men and women like you on the ground. Stay safe - you've been there a long time, that is quite a lot of dedication, thank you.

No worries, it is one of those things. Hell most soliders love me here, I make their life easier. Some of em hate the contractors but for the most part they understand without us they would be taking a dump in a barrel and lighting it on fire at the end of the day.
There are bad apples in every group, be it DynCorp, KBR, Halliburton, Z, Blackwater, US Army, Marines, Etc etc etc L3, Titan. Abu Grab, for instance was soliders doing stupid shit, Ceder had Air Force personal sexually accosting locals. Serka was shocking people, KBR had their water problems, L3 leaked classified material, I could go on....
When I was in Afganistan before alot of the bases were set up shit sucked ass, I mean seriously, we would shit in bags, MRE's all the time, no showers. No laundry services, 50 people to a tent, we couldnt focus on things like fighting a war when we could not even have a night of peace and quite.
Now soliders complain that there is only 10 flavors of Baskin Robbins at the DFAC, or that the PX does not have newer Xbox/Ps3/PC games (they had 50 copies of DA;O for ps3 and in less then an hour they were gone). Or that the power is out for 10 minutes a day while the generator is changed over. 6 years ago troops complained about no running water, no power at all.
I love my job, every day is unique, from winning camels in poker games, to spending 12 hours in a bunker with 10 soliders playing psp games and reading the latest reports of how Iraq is so much safer now.
One of my older sisters is AirForce, and one of my little brothers is Army, back in 08 we were all on the same base for mothers day and did a webcam thing for our mom. My brother complained when he was here about the money I made, and one day he came to my work and saw what I do, and went fuck keep your money....
10+ hours a day 7 days a week, 365 days a year.... It isnt for everyone*
*note not all companies work everyone the same amount PCC one of the subcontractors work their guys 20 hours a day 6 days a week and those guys earn 350USD** a month*
**Also, 350USD in India buys alot more then 350USD would buy in the US.....1000USD can buy you a house in India....