As I continued reading the posts on here, the only thing I kept thinking about was JRPG games that you'd find on consoles (or Septerra Core that you can find on GOG). These types of games typically have very, very deep philosophical themes about life and death and friendship and sacrfice and very rarely have anything raunchy in the adult arena. If you haven't played too many JRPG's, I'd say to start there because they are very family friendly.

I agree with what you're saying though about the trend in gaming to just toss in some nekkedness for the sake of having it in a game. But considering the dismal sales of games like that Dead or Alive Beach game or X Blades, I'd say that most adult gamers steer far, far away from these tripes of gaming since they know the market those games are trying to reach.

And really, as a husband and a parent, there are games I play in private just in case there's going to be profanity (since in games it's usually sailor style profanity for some reason if it does exist), or if I've read that there's some nudity and don't know when it's going to appear, I make sure I don't expose my family to that stuff. Then there's other stuff I play out in the living when family is there. There could be killing, there might be some bad words, but nothing in excess that I play out in the open.

Personally, I find the sex stuff funny in games, and my wife even got a good chuckle when she saw the thong wearing girl in Sacred 2 running around the big screen TV, but I can see how hooker scenes or full blown sex stuff would obviously be an issue around family members. Haven't played Witcher 2 yet, but from the video I've seen of it, they amped up the sex scenes from the first one's temendously, when I found the sex scenes in the Witcher to be very erotic, but very tastefully done. Don't know why they continue to drive the sex stuff in games, but it's obviously hit or miss on if it's done right, or if it's done raunchy.

That's just it, though, you're both looking at an outlier in cinema as if it's somehow really common, it's not. It's not all that common in literature or theater either. It's hard to pull off and most works that try will end up falling terribly short.

Now, I still maintain that the OP isn't looking nearly hard enough, but regardless, this kind of thing is pretty rare. There's still titles out there, in video game land, that fit that criteria, but they're going to be the exception. Luckily there's way more video games now than ever before, so you can find a many more than you would have been able to find even 5 years ago.

It was a good film. It gets points for doing some genuinely touching and effective things, for being funny and entertaining, and for Dug. But it's still a Pixar movie, and it still tends toward the sorts of things I dislike about Pixar movies (although admittedly less than usual). I think the two things even out. I wouldn't necessarily call it an "outlier in cinema," but I think it was pretty darn good and pretty darn deep for a kid's film.

You're probably right. I feel like I can look to the past and say mature vs adult was more common in some period, but it's probably just that the mass of mainstream stuff that's current is hindering my vision just as it would have then.

But still, if that's the case, we have to make even greater the effort to promote the rarer stuff right now while it's still viable and not water down our specific tastes just because they're 'hard to find'.

Lots of JRPGS would fit that bill, actually.
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Many people avoid such games for many reasons.....if the game is a dumbed down console version, if the game is a clone of a better game, if it is "too modern" for their tastes, etc.....not just because they had adult themes and people are trying to steer clear of them.
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Of course swearing is going to be crude if it's placed in a game. What......do you expect them to swear like some sort of little lord Fauntleroy using ye olde english?

Also(and I mentioned this earlier ITT btw) but why do you expose your family to violence(however light) and seem to think it's fine but nudity is not? (To be fair I notice that Europeans seem to do the opposite sometimes.....I just don't get the double standard.....why protect your family/etc from one but not the other?)
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They do it because sex sells, as has been said many times so far in this(and no doubt other) thread(s)......and because it appeals to the target demographic(well many of them.) BTW why must it either be done right or done raunchy? Why can't it be both in your eyes?

Me too and also as far as I remember they were not really neccessary for playing through. I enjoyed them and my girlfriend played it through without them.

I am much more shocked by hardcore violence in video games than by mildly pornographic displays. Like running over people in GTA? or shooting civilians in Modern Warfare. But then I easily skip these games and am fine.

There are enough alternatives if you look outside of mainstream. Just look at the latest games at GamersGate (they have one of the biggest catalogues for small companies) - around 90% of new games do not feature excessive adult material, however many of them are casual and for kids like the "horse ridding simulator" :). The big mainstream AAA titles however are different.

Very true about the dumbed down games. I didn't mean to say that the only reason people didn't play these types of garbage games was because of the adult content in it but also because of how crappy the gameplay is. Thanks for making that clear.

What I mean about swearing in games is that there's swearing, and there's vomit mouth swearing. I swear, but it's not like f-bombs come out of my mouth every second. From what I've experienced in games, you've either got it normal, where swear words come out in context, or you've got it like the guy from the District 9 movie who said f-bombs at the start of every sentence. That stuff gets annoying. I don't care about swear words, but when it's every other word, it's not serving any game related purpose in my opinion and doesn't belong in a game, movie or book. There's movies I've turned off just because the swearing was way overboard, so it doesn't just apply to games for me.

You make a very solid point regarding the double standard of violence versus nudity. I don't really know how to answer that except by looking at my own upbringing. My dad didn't care one iota if I watched a movie filled with killing or nudity. I think the issue of double standards occurs because there's boys and there's girls. If I support playing a game filled with nudity in front of my family, or watch a movie filled with nudity in front of my daughter, what's that teaching her? Sure, everywhere you look in our society sex sells and the clothing for women continues to get skimpier and skimpier, but if I don't support it, it tells something to my daughter either through her witnessing my stance on it or on an unconscious level. And she's now 16 and thinks it extremely degrading to a woman when she sees them half naked parading around wherever it is they might be--especially at her school!

Is allowing violence to be viewed any less damaging? I can't really answer that. I was watching Scarface and all the Van Damn, Stallone, Swarzeneggar movies from the time I was 3 years old and it didn't make me into a violent person. But girls constantly exposed to images that show women dressing and acting scandalously has directly influenced the minds of young women in the US to where it's cool now to dress and act the slut. So, I don't have an issue with violence, but do with exposing her to excessive nudity, even at 16 years old. If other people have different opinions, that's fine, I'm not a preacher or anything, I just base it off my experience growing up, as my wife does with her experience. And it's also kind of obvious if you look around at our society at least in seeing the change of how girls dress and conduct themselves from elementary school.

To answer your comment of either seeing sex done right or raunchy, again it's really down to my own experiences in gaming. I'm not expecting to see it I suppose. Yes, I know it's progressively appearing in more and more games, but I don't ever expect it, and neither do I play a game specifically to experience it's sexual content. So when it does appear, I've been critical on whether it's done right: fits the storyline, fits the gameplay, etc., or if it's just there in order to be there, the same way I think about seeing it in movies or reading it in a book. If I'm reading a book about an 18th century hooker (The Crimson Petal and the White), and I've chosen to read it, I know what I'm getting myself into. I know there's going to be sex, I know there's going to be raunchiness since it fits the novel. I'm not turned off by that. When it comes to games though, I've played dozens and dozens of RPG's and FPS that didn't have a single bit of sex: done right or raunchy, and they were fantastic games. So what does having the sex and nudity bring to the game? I guess it makes it more realistic, if the RPG is being realistic on the human level within the fantasy/sci-fi realm it's creating, but does it make the game better? Even after playing the games I just mentioned, I can't say that they're better than Xenogears or Planescape Torment, games that didn't have full blown love scenes, though love and relationships were themes in the games.

And that's all I was trying to say really. Am I opposed to the scene being a bit raunchy? Not at all, so long as it has something to do with the game or the characters and the storyline the characters are going through in the game. If it's just there to be there, then I'll be more critical of it.