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Asbeau: Kan Gao is Canadian
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Bloodygoodgames: He's actually Chinese and grew up part of his childhood in China. Read an article about him a while ago.

I could tell he wasn't a native English speaker with some of the dialogue, as it was just a bit "off".

I'm a former English teacher to Asian students so can usually pick it up :)
He moved to Canada when he was 11. I think you're making assumptions that a teacher of literature would know better than to make.
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Bloodygoodgames: No, not remotely stuck. The 'game', if that's what you can call it, is mind-numbingly easy. It's just boring. Too much clicking on characters to get them to speak and the dialogue is so truly awful it was grating on my nerves.

Plus the Watts character - most snide person in a game? Couldn't get past the horrible characters and the repetitive clicking.

I can however definitely tell it was written by an Asian. (I live in Thailand). It's like every stereotypical melodramatic Korean soap opera I've watched (and I've watched hundreds as I love them). But the soap operas are much better written.

I give the developer kudos for attempting it, but honestly I just couldn't get through it.
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liquidsnakehpks: ah that's sad to hear, the game was never meant to be challenging , till where did you play before you quit ? watts snide eh ? haha i can understand now why the game got on your nerves .
i guess you can relate your experience to this review ? http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/to-the-moon/1214960p1.html
Yep, he hit the nail on the head. Many times :)

Love how the fan boys all rushed to defend the game with one saying the journalist should be "fired".

Why is it so many gamers can't just let other gamers either like or hate a game? Why is it like a personal affront to them if you don't like the game they adore?

I absolutely love, love, love "Creatures" a lot of people don't. Why would I care if you don't like it? No skin off my nose.
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Bloodygoodgames:
I agree with you that the gameplay was excruciating, but I endured it to have the opportunity to learn the full story. For me it was an unexpected gem of a game with a wonderful and touching end, despite all its faults (I even enjoyed the banter between the two doctors).

Maybe I haven't sat through enough melodramatic Asian soap operas (meaning I'm not yet immunized) ;)
Post edited October 31, 2012 by Thespian*
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Bloodygoodgames: ...It's like every stereotypical melodramatic Korean soap opera I've watched (and I've watched hundreds as I love them). But the soap operas are much better written.
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Kunovski: and that's it probably: you know all these asian soap opera cliches but we, the Europeans and Americans, don't... maybe if this was your first ever similar story, you might like it too...

or not, as you probably love a lot of action and not much talking :)

now I just wonder why did you even try playing this game... :D
Why wouldn't I?

I'd heard it was a good story and it was given to me as a gift. So I played it.

Nobody can tell what a game is like before they try it. It's the same as trying a new food. I'll try anything once, and believe me living in Asia I have :), but if I don't like it I won't eat it again.

Same with this. An hour was enough for me.

And no, I actually love a story with a lot of dialogue (I'm a writer, so good dialogue is what I get off on), but this just doesn't have it.
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liquidsnakehpks: ah that's sad to hear, the game was never meant to be challenging , till where did you play before you quit ? watts snide eh ? haha i can understand now why the game got on your nerves .
i guess you can relate your experience to this review ? http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/to-the-moon/1214960p1.html
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Bloodygoodgames: Yep, he hit the nail on the head. Many times :)

Love how the fan boys all rushed to defend the game with one saying the journalist should be "fired".

Why is it so many gamers can't just let other gamers either like or hate a game? Why is it like a personal affront to them if you don't like the game they adore?

I absolutely love, love, love "Creatures" a lot of people don't. Why would I care if you don't like it? No skin off my nose.
haha gamespy actually banned and removed a lot more posts[more than 150] , there was a huge fight in the comments , even the dev kan came in posted there, so you can imagine :) im not even sure if the reviewer even still works for gamespy

well if you did not like the game , lets leave it there but be on the lookout for the sequel and try other indie adventure games to see where the level stands in them
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Thespian*: I agree with you that the gameplay was excruciating, but I endured it to have the opportunity to learn the full story. For me it was an unexpected gem of a game with a wonderful and touching end, despite all its faults (I even enjoyed the banter between the two doctors).

Maybe I haven't sat through enough melodramatic Asian soap operas (meaning I'm not yet immunized) ;)
Cheers mate :D i was hoping someone would say this phew this was the post i was looking for , i am glad at least someone went through the game fully before rage quitting .
Post edited October 31, 2012 by liquidsnakehpks
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Bloodygoodgames: He's actually Chinese and grew up part of his childhood in China. Read an article about him a while ago.

I could tell he wasn't a native English speaker with some of the dialogue, as it was just a bit "off".

I'm a former English teacher to Asian students so can usually pick it up :)
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Asbeau: He moved to Canada when he was 11. I think you're making assumptions that a teacher of literature would know better than to make.
Making assumptions? What, that his English is 'off'?

His English is exceptionally good obviously, but some of his grammar in the dialogue is just plain incorrect. A native speaker would pick that up easily. He didn't or, if he did, he didn't correct it.

I've dealt with thousands of non-native speakers over the years and one thing most teachers will tell you, if they begin to learn English above a certain age, (around 7 or 8 usually) almost all of them will never be perfect English speakers like a native English speaker would be as they'll have certain grammatical errors that are too difficult to get rid of. Same for native English speakers who learn something like Thai, Chinese, Japanese etc.

Case in point, my best friend is Thai but lived in America since she was 6 and only moved back to Thailand when she was 29. She speaks perfect English just like any American. Her sister, on the other hand, was 12 when they moved to the US -- she still uses some grammatically incorrect phrases that are akin to how a Thai would speak even though she does speak fluent English with an American accent.

I've never met anyone who speaks fluent English without either an accent or grammatical errors that began to learn when they were older than 7 or 8. There have been many studies done about how fast a child's brain learns and once they reach a certain age it's much more difficult to learn a language 'perfectly'.
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Bloodygoodgames: And no, I actually love a story with a lot of dialogue (I'm a writer, so good dialogue is what I get off on), but this just doesn't have it.
I guess I don't know that many good emotional stories then ;) (not a surprise, as I don't read much, I only play games and watch stupid sitcoms :D

or maybe I was just in that emotional place where everything seemed so sad and weepy :'(

anyhow, I really liked this game, even though I don't remember any dialogues actually :) I just remember the atmosphere and feel, and I guess that was good...
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Thespian*: I agree with you that the gameplay was excruciating, but I endured it to have the opportunity to learn the full story. For me it was an unexpected gem of a game with a wonderful and touching end, despite all its faults (I even enjoyed the banter between the two doctors).

Maybe I haven't sat through enough melodramatic Asian soap operas (meaning I'm not yet immunized) ;)
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liquidsnakehpks: Cheers mate :D i was hoping someone would say this phew this was the post i was looking for , i am glad at least someone went through the game fully before rage quitting .
Yours truly. ;)

I was able to play it at a friend's house, and I liked it so much that when later there were several TTM giveaways here on GOG, I refrained from participating so that others could have more chances to win and enjoy the game.
Post edited October 31, 2012 by Thespian*
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Thespian*: I agree with you that the gameplay was excruciating, but I endured it to have the opportunity to learn the full story. For me it was an unexpected gem of a game with a wonderful and touching end, despite all its faults (I even enjoyed the banter between the two doctors).

Maybe I haven't sat through enough melodramatic Asian soap operas (meaning I'm not yet immunized) ;)
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liquidsnakehpks: Cheers mate :D i was hoping someone would say this phew this was the post i was looking for , i am glad at least someone went through the game fully before rage quitting .
Rage quitting? Seriously?

So I hate a game, but I'm supposed to play another 4-5 hours just to get to the end so I'm absolutely convinced I hate it???

Come oooooooon. I've got 140 games in backlog I haven't touched yet. I'd rather spend the time on one I actually might like.

And, on that note, I have to go :)

Client waiting online and I have to start packing as I leave for Spain in 2 days.

Back in a bit to check in -- interesting discussion anyway!
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Bloodygoodgames: Client waiting online and I have to start packing as I leave for Spain in 2 days.
Be sure to put warm clothes on luggage, there is a cold snap (cold wave?) here (unless you go to the Canary Islands).

I hope you enjoy your stay in Spain! :)
Post edited October 31, 2012 by Thespian*
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liquidsnakehpks: Cheers mate :D i was hoping someone would say this phew this was the post i was looking for , i am glad at least someone went through the game fully before rage quitting .
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Bloodygoodgames: Rage quitting? Seriously?

So I hate a game, but I'm supposed to play another 4-5 hours just to get to the end so I'm absolutely convinced I hate it???

Come oooooooon. I've got 140 games in backlog I haven't touched yet. I'd rather spend the time on one I actually might like.

And, on that note, I have to go :)

Client waiting online and I have to start packing as I leave for Spain in 2 days.

Back in a bit to check in -- interesting discussion anyway!
hey have a safe visit , to the moon isn't a epic size adventure , it barely lasts 4hrs max let us know till where you played when you get back
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Bloodygoodgames: And no, I actually love a story with a lot of dialogue
Thanks for sharing your experience. I feel good writing is important to my own enjoyment of a game, as bad writing frequently puts a huge damper on it. As an English teacher and writer, I respect your view. Thank you for sparing others.
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Bloodygoodgames: Client waiting online and I have to start packing as I leave for Spain in 2 days.
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Thespian*: Be sure to put warm clothes on luggage, there is a cold snap (cold wave?) here (unless you go to the Canary Islands).
+12 or so? Brrrr!

That reminds me recently when I heard a foreigner living in Finland calling a friend of her in her (much warmer) home country, she told her "In winters it can get here as cold as in a freezer, can you believe it???".

I had to correct her right away "Actually, I don't think even deep-freezers can go lower than -18 Celsius. It can sometimes go easily below that here, especially in the northern parts.".

I noticed a mental meltdown in her brain at that point. She couldn't fathom there would be a place on earth where it could be even colder than in a freezer, even though she had certainly experienced that herself already. As if it was physically impossible or something.

(But then, in some winters here the temperatures stay around 0 degrees all the time and no snow. I hate those fake winters. I want snow and nice snappy frost in winter, thank you.)
Post edited October 31, 2012 by timppu