Posted July 19, 2013
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keeveek
NOPE
Registered: Dec 2009
From Poland
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ngoth
New User
Registered: Jul 2011
From Canada
Posted July 19, 2013
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1. Does the core gameplay stand up to adventure games released today? (For people who have never played the original, and are looking for a new adventure game.)
and
2. Will fans of the series/original game be pleased with this remake?
I think the review answered #1, but didn't address #2.
I think the main problem with the review is that the reviewer doesn't make it clear that he never played the original. Otherwise it is a useful perspective for many people, who have also never played the original (including myself) [not that I personally give a shit what IGN says about any game, but you know what I mean].
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Just because something is unambitious doesn't mean that reviews should be more lenient.
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ngoth
New User
Registered: Jul 2011
From Canada
Posted July 19, 2013
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I don't think there anything wrong with judging something by modern standards, but there is also nothing wrong with wanting something more old-school. There is a different audience for everything.
Leisure Suit Larry is a niche game. That's why it went to Kickstarter. It's not mainstream. So don't be surprised at negative reviews in the press. It was never meant to please everyone.
Exactly. It's a love or hate game. And the reviewer hated it. What's wrong with that?
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Jekadu
Not a lake
Registered: Jun 2009
From Sweden
Posted July 19, 2013
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Did that make any sense? I fear I may have tangled myself up there. I hope you get the gist of it, anyway.
Post edited July 19, 2013 by Jekadu
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Fenixp
nnpab
Registered: Sep 2008
From Czech Republic
Posted July 19, 2013
Well yes, and those people are going to buy and play it. Those who don't know what the game is should get as objective opinion as possible.
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keeveek
NOPE
Registered: Dec 2009
From Poland
Posted July 19, 2013
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stika
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Posted July 21, 2013
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I don't think there anything wrong with judging something by modern standards, but there is also nothing wrong with wanting something more old-school. There is a different audience for everything.
Leisure Suit Larry is a niche game. That's why it went to Kickstarter. It's not mainstream. So don't be surprised at negative reviews in the press. It was never meant to please everyone.
why should "old-school" automatically mean you can't reviewe it by 2013's standards? Last time I checked, there's little to no games like Legend of Grimrock these days and the style it uses is better if you want a more methodical style of gameplay, something you can't really find in say... skyrim
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Navagon
Easily Persuaded
Registered: Dec 2008
From United Kingdom
Posted July 21, 2013
WadjetEye games (those I've played) don't have any of the clunkiness or illogical puzzles of LSL. I like Larry and it delivered exactly what was promised. But let's face it, if they wanted to make a game that stands up to modern standards then it falls short in ways that WadgetEye games don't.
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htown1980
feminist gamer
Registered: Jul 2011
From Australia
Posted July 21, 2013
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While they may not get 9/10 by today's standards, doing a direct comparison to LSL would surely result in a conclusion that the best wadjeteye games have better graphics, music, story and puzzles than LSL reloaded.
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keeveek
NOPE
Registered: Dec 2009
From Poland
Posted July 21, 2013
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One could say WadjetEye games don't meet today's standards because they run in 640x480 and have sub-par voice acting .
Also, you can't say pixel arts graphics is something that meets today's standards, unless you want to be picky and say something that comes from an old adventure game remake is outdated while something in newly created adventure that looks exactly like an old adventure game is not.
And I've heard many people have technical problems with Wadjet games as well.
In short, a game should be reviewed by standards it's aiming to meet, not by some arbitrary "modern" standards.
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Crosmando
chrono commando
Registered: Jan 2012
From Australia
Posted July 21, 2013
Oh God, I am just about completely sick and tired of all the internet social justice/sexism white-knighting in video game-related stuff right now... Some people are just unable to put their personal political beliefs on one side when talking about games.
It's almost as if these people don't give a shit about games, and instead just use them to pontificate on their politics.
Also: The only decent game reviews are on RPGCodex
It's almost as if these people don't give a shit about games, and instead just use them to pontificate on their politics.
Also: The only decent game reviews are on RPGCodex
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Elmofongo
It's 2L84U
Registered: Sep 2011
From Puerto Rico
Posted July 21, 2013
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It's almost as if these people don't give a shit about games, and instead just use them to pontificate on their politics.
Also: The only recent game reviews are on RPGCodex
Evidence:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/no-right-answer/7611-Americas-Greatest-Obsession-Ever
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Crosmando
chrono commando
Registered: Jan 2012
From Australia
Posted July 21, 2013
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Evidence:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/no-right-answer/7611-Americas-Greatest-Obsession-Ever
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StingingVelvet
Devil's Advocate
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted July 21, 2013
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RPS are even more annoying than the rest because they address the complaints of it being too much for a gaming site and say "fuck you social justice is more important than games." Maybe so, but your site isn't fucking cnn.com.
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htown1980
feminist gamer
Registered: Jul 2011
From Australia
Posted July 21, 2013
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One could say WadjetEye games don't meet today's standards because they run in 640x480 and have sub-par voice acting .
Also, you can't say pixel arts graphics is something that meets today's standards, unless you want to be picky and say something that comes from an old adventure game remake is outdated while something in newly created adventure that looks exactly like an old adventure game is not.
And I've heard many people have technical problems with Wadjet games as well.
In short, a game should be reviewed by standards it's aiming to meet, not by some arbitrary "modern" standards.
poor animation, bad puzzles and money grinding are inexcusable. that was acceptable in the 80s when I had no other choice (and I loved sierra games whether there particularly bad puzzles), but not today. most good adventure games are past that.
many great modern games have pixel art, and they look great. that is acceptable by modern standards. again, resolution is irrelevant if the game looks good, that is acceptable by modern standards. the voice acting in wadjeteye games is fine.
adventure games don't need to have the same graphical fidelity as fps games because its unnecessary. they need to look decent, however. the puzzles need to be good as well, and thats where LSL reloaded is (somewhat) let down.
how are you supposed to review a game by some subjective standard the dev is trying to meet. "No, I can't get 6/10, I was intending to make a game with poor animations and puzzles, therefore I should get 10/10".
They answer is, give it the low score it deserves, but say, if you are looking for a remake of a pretty average game from the 80s, this is for you.