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Posted November 30, 2012
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Kristian: No developer will sign up for that any more.
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kodeen: They will if they want to be in an HIB, they are immensely popular and developers want to be in them. HIB still has the right to demand DRM-free and cross platform.
Sure they have the legal right to do that, but they have lost the negotiation leverage to pull in off in practice by doing this bundle. When I first heard of this Bundle before they officially launched and announced that it was Windows only and DRM free only my immediate thought was :"Wow Humble Bundle just used their leverage to get a AAA publisher to release a bunch of their games as cross-platorform and DRM free" boy was I disssappointed!

Sure they may get some devs that actually have DRM free and cross-platform as ideals to sign up for future bundles but 95%+ of those devs have already ported their games, and already provide them DRM free. So the Humble Bundle guys won't be able to entice more skeptical developers to do that.
Posted November 30, 2012
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Wishbone: What the hell? Did Humble Bundle just throw all their software principles out the window? Steam-only and Windows-only? What happened?
I stopped buying them a couple of bundles ago.

Glad to see I made the right decision.
Posted November 30, 2012
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Kristian: No developer will sign up for that any more.

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liquidsnakehpks, see this: http://i47.tinypic.com/2rohnib.png
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liquidsnakehpks: uh 2 years ago gog was also known as good old games ? so whats the point i still dont see any terms
He directly promised that they wouldn't do any future bundle that was Steam only. They broke that promise. Now their word is worth nothing.
Posted November 30, 2012
Money, money, money...

What's next, Ubisoft and Activision together making a HIB?
Posted November 30, 2012
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liquidsnakehpks: uh 2 years ago gog was also known as good old games ? so whats the point i still dont see any terms
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Kristian: He directly promised that they wouldn't do any future bundle that was Steam only. They broke that promise. Now their word is worth nothing.
you must be joking? a comment is taken for a promise and as a word of honor lmao , please check back the gog threads from the time this forum was born and see what all has happened here
Post edited November 30, 2012 by liquidsnakehpks
Posted November 30, 2012
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Kristian: My source is common sense. Look at the commercial and critical success of Double Fine. They are a highly esteemed dev studio. They, unlike 90%+ of all deves, have been able to retain IP rights for all the games they have done. Thereby proving the amount of leverage they have.

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the above was to kalrion.

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Let me add kalrion that this hurts future "regular" bundles since the likelihood of seeing games debut as cross-platform and/or DRM free in such bundles just dropped to near 0 with the exception of companies that are already passionate about those things.
Your interpretation of "common sense" seems to differ significantly from the average, yet it's the only argument you give. So instead of repeating "things will never be the same again" a hundred times, let's just wait and see, shall we?
It looks like this discussion has been going for quite a bit of time, and has had no effect on anyone's opinion...

Anyway, nice bundle. Hopefully, it will help THQ survive, release more great games and fire some of their rather incompetent managers.

edit: and for the record, I do not see a promise in the image you posted.
Post edited November 30, 2012 by etna87
Posted November 30, 2012
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kodeen: They will if they want to be in an HIB, they are immensely popular and developers want to be in them. HIB still has the right to demand DRM-free and cross platform.
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Kristian: Sure they have the legal right to do that, but they have lost the negotiation leverage to pull in off in practice by doing this bundle. When I first heard of this Bundle before they officially launched and announced that it was Windows only and DRM free only my immediate thought was :"Wow Humble Bundle just used their leverage to get a AAA publisher to release a bunch of their games as cross-platorform and DRM free" boy was I disssappointed!

Sure they may get some devs that actually have DRM free and cross-platform as ideals to sign up for future bundles but 95%+ of those devs have already ported their games, and already provide them DRM free. So the Humble Bundle guys won't be able to entice more skeptical developers to do that.
Their leverage is not their previous stalwart adherence to their ideals, but the amount of bundles they sell. Which is a lot. If devs want to sell hundreds of thousands (if not a million+) of their indie games quickly, HIB is pretty much the best way to do that. This is still true after this THQ bundle.

Another thing you seem to be saying is that no major publisher will adhere to DRM free and cross platform because of this THQ bundle. Well, were they doing that beforehand? Major publishers have no interest in HIB, the only reason THQ reached out to them is because they are in an extremely desperate situation.
Posted November 30, 2012
Kodeen, some AAA's are on the fence with regards to those things. GOG for example managed to get a bunch of them to sign up here. Including both of the biggest publishers on the planet, EA and Activision. So they aren't totally dismissing the idea of DRM free games and a bunch of their games are on Mac already. The toughest sell would probably be the Linux versions but with hardball negotiations by someone like Humble Bundle they may have been able to pull it off. The same is true for those Indie's that don't care so much about cross-platform and DRM free. But after this? They will want to get the same treatment as THQ.

If Humble Bundle doesn't insist on DRM free and cross-platform in this case, how in the world can they do so in other cases? Also with them abandoning that principle in this case, who is to say they won't do so for others and won't abandon other principles as well. Maybe the ability to give to charity will go next. Humble Bundle just became completely unreliable and unpredictable.
Posted November 30, 2012
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SimonG: Because the Humble Bundle was about PWYW and giving a part to charity. That were there cores, that is what was able in every bundle so far.

The perceived fall from DRM free simply isn't. The bitching of people combined with the fact that this bundle will be the most successful does only marginalize any presumed DRM free movement even further.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/992948/drm-free.PNG
Sorry, but up until now DRM-free was very much one of the core principles. Just because PWYW and giving some of the money to charity are the only ones that remain doesn't mean that there weren't more originally.
Posted November 30, 2012
This is not Humble indie Bundle. There is no "indie" in the name of the current bundle. :)))
Posted November 30, 2012
So f***in what?
Posted November 30, 2012
Remember "it's not a bundle!" rage about Frozen Synapse Bundle? Good days...
Posted November 30, 2012
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retro_gamer: This is not Humble indie Bundle. There is no "indie" in the name of the current bundle. :)))
Only the numbered bundles actually have "indie" in the name. The special bundles (like this one) and android bundles don't have it either. So while this bundle obviously isn't indie, you can't really use that as an excuse either.

Personally I'm not buying it but I'm not particularly offended either. I just hope this doesn't become a new trend. Time will tell.
Posted November 30, 2012
I just wanted to say that this is not one of the "HiB's" because I see a lot of people calling it "HiB". That's all.
Posted November 30, 2012
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retro_gamer: This is not Humble indie Bundle. There is no "indie" in the name of the current bundle. :)))
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bevinator: Only the numbered bundles actually have "indie" in the name. The special bundles (like this one) and android bundles don't have it either. So while this bundle obviously isn't indie, you can't really use that as an excuse either.

Personally I'm not buying it but I'm not particularly offended either. I just hope this doesn't become a new trend. Time will tell.
Exactly the Android and music and e-book bundles were all DRM free as well.
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