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It’s not an Indie Bundle. But yeah, I’m not surprised either; Humble has long become just another Steam-key reseller in my book. I've also become very cautious concerning their "DRM-free" declarations as they declare games as "DRM-free" that are clearly not (Anomaly 2 in their shop immediately comes to mind).
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CatShannon: It’s not an Indie Bundle. But yeah, I’m not surprised either; Humble has long become just another Steam-key reseller in my book. I've also become very cautious concerning their "DRM-free" declarations as they declare games as "DRM-free" that are clearly not (Anomaly 2 in their shop immediately comes to mind).
I missed that there are Humble <purpose> Bundles.

The charity part is still good and the option to pay what you want. I usually pay more if there is Linux, sometimes I feel ashamed how little people want to pay really good games. This is not really encouraging for the developers.

It says $9 at the moment for all games, which is ridiculous low. There wouldn't even be a reasonable sum left for charity with default distribution.
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ejiki: As far as I see, they only sell DRM-free games in Humble Indie Bundles. But when it comes to Humble Whatever Bundles - you can expect only steam keys there. So, now they sell Daily bundles, not Indie. Though I could be wrong.
Well, the Origin bundle had Origin keys, so it's not like you can expect only Steam keys. :Þ

Humble Bundle does have some DRM-free games in weekly sales and other bundles (such as "with Android" ones), so it's not just Steam, but yes, there are lots of Steam-only games in bundles.
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CatShannon: It’s not an Indie Bundle. But yeah, I’m not surprised either; Humble has long become just another Steam-key reseller in my book. I've also become very cautious concerning their "DRM-free" declarations as they declare games as "DRM-free" that are clearly not (Anomaly 2 in their shop immediately comes to mind).
it is just a bit awkward. It is DRM free on Android, but not on PC. They may need to have more icons to indicate what-is-what, but it all is written on the actual store page for the games.
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disi: I saw the newsletter today and thought, wow there is Risen, Risen2, Metro 2033 and other good stuff!

Then I realized, no Linux support, no software whatsoever, those are just keys to unlock the games on the Steam platform. They still support charity, though!

It started with Linux, Windows, Mac, DRM free Indie-Games and is now YASP (YetAnotherSalesPlatform)?
Aye, they've gone to the dogs quite a long time ago. It would probably be easier if the URL just redirected to steam. Cut out the middle man.
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amok: it is just a bit awkward. It is DRM free on Android, but not on PC. They may need to have more icons to indicate what-is-what, but it all is written on the actual store page for the games.
But they have enough icons!
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ejiki: But they have enough icons!
^^

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CatShannon: It’s not an Indie Bundle. But yeah, I’m not surprised either; Humble has long become just another Steam-key reseller in my book. I've also become very cautious concerning their "DRM-free" declarations as they declare games as "DRM-free" that are clearly not (Anomaly 2 in their shop immediately comes to mind).
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amok: it is just a bit awkward. It is DRM free on Android, but not on PC. They may need to have more icons to indicate what-is-what, but it all is written on the actual store page for the games.
Seriously, they should simply offer the game as Steam game and don't label it as DRM-free at all. They can of course write in the description that it is DRM-free for Android (only). But the way the game is labeled now is very misleading.
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ejiki: But they have enough icons!
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CatShannon: ^^

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amok: it is just a bit awkward. It is DRM free on Android, but not on PC. They may need to have more icons to indicate what-is-what, but it all is written on the actual store page for the games.
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CatShannon: Seriously, they should simply offer the game as Steam game and don't label it as DRM-free at all. They can of course write in the description that it is DRM-free for Android (only). But the way the game is labeled now is very misleading.
But it is DRM free.... but only on Android. So it depends on what your interest is in. You are a PC games, but what if someone mainly interested in Android looked at the store? then it is correctly labeled (this may no be very likely, but the point stands). It is a matter of perception, and it is not wrongly labeled, as such, but it may need a distinct "PC DRM free" label and "Android DRM free" label.
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CatShannon: It’s not an Indie Bundle. But yeah, I’m not surprised either; Humble has long become just another Steam-key reseller in my book. I've also become very cautious concerning their "DRM-free" declarations as they declare games as "DRM-free" that are clearly not (Anomaly 2 in their shop immediately comes to mind).
Yep. There is nothing Humble and Indie about Humble Indie Bundle...
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CatShannon: I've also become very cautious concerning their "DRM-free" declarations as they declare games as "DRM-free" that are clearly not (Anomaly 2 in their shop immediately comes to mind).
I didn't have any problems with their "DRM-free" games until now, but Humble's DRM-free version of Monaco is definitely acting strange. I mean you're able to play it offline, but apparantly it still tries to phone to Steam. I was online and logged in at Steam, when I started the independently installed DRM-free version of Monaco and it told me that I was now online, connected to the Steam community and then it displayed my Steam name in the game menu.

Well, it is more of a multiplayer games, and I actually do have a Steam acoount and I'm online most of the time, but that's still not quite the behavior I would expect of a DRM-free version. If I wanted the game to connect to Steam when I'm online, I could have used the Steam key in the first place.
Post edited May 14, 2014 by Leroux
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monkeydelarge: Yep. There is nothing Humble and Indie about Humble Indie Bundle...
The Humble Indie Bundle is still definitely indie. Humble Bundle in general isn't.

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Leroux: Well, it is more of a multiplayer games, and I actually do have a Steam acoount and I'm online most of the time, but that's still not quite the behavior I would expect of a DRM-free version. If I wanted the game to connect to Steam when I'm online, I could have used the Steam key in the first place.
If I wanted to make Steam game DRM-free, that's probably how it would turn out too. I'd try to communicate with Steam and if the game can't then it would run without Steam. Presumably communication with Steam is possible even if not running from within Steam, which would result in what you see.
Apparently Lamborghini also produces sports cars now.
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Leroux: I mean you're able to play it offline, but apparantly it still tries to phone to Steam. I was online and logged in at Steam, when I started the independently installed DRM-free version of Monaco and it told me that I was now online, connected to the Steam community and then it displayed my Steam name in the game menu.
But steam in general isn't DRM. Steam contains DRM, most of games uses this DRM, but not all. Game can fully support steam social features, but if you are able to start game without steam - it's still DRM-free.
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Randalator: Apparently Lamborghini also produces sports cars now.
That can't be true.
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ejiki: But steam in general isn't DRM. Steam contains DRM, most of games uses this DRM, but not all. Game can fully support steam social features, but if you are able to start game without steam - it's still DRM-free.
I'm pretty sure most games don't use the DRM feature of Steam. Most games do use the Steam features which require Steam to be running, but it's not as much from wanting DRM but wanting to provide these features. It's not too hard to detect that Steam is not running and enable to run the game without these features.

Problem is, a lot of developers and consumers aren't aware of it, but it seems to me that anti-DRM consumers who know about it prefer that others won't be, because they hate Steam, so would rather shout "Steam is DRM" in the hope of convincing people not to use it than have DRM-free games on it.