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nondeplumage: But I want a flying car too.
Meh, I'd rather step through a door near home and be in Hanoi when I put down the foot on the other side.

Screw flying cars, teleportation is where it's at.
Post edited May 23, 2011 by Miaghstir
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Tulivu: ^This. Early tribal and group societies had the greatest equality and hunter/gatherer allows for the most downtime/culture. If we weren't so attached to our flying cars the easiest route to prosperity and peace would be to progress in the other direction. Africa is seen as the world's armpit because it isn't as developed but, in truth, it is merely the victim of progression. It is exploited and manipulated by developed countries that ignore any war that doesn't hurt its profit.

The human race does seem to race towards its own demise and I don't even buy the entirety of global warming.
The truth can be hideous. Have you ever watched “The Corporation”? A very cleverly made film.
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Tulivu: ^This. Early tribal and group societies had the greatest equality and hunter/gatherer allows for the most downtime/culture.
No. Wow. That's as bad as the noble savage idea.
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nondeplumage: But I want a flying car too.
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Miaghstir: Meh, I'd rather step through a door near home and be in Hanoi when I put down the foot on the other side.

Screw flying cars, teleportation is where it's at.
Flying cars are achievable with relatively small energy output. Playing with space/time requires a bit more than an engine, so one's a hell of a lot more likely to happen than the other. But in keeping with science fiction tropes, they both can lead to untold deaths and therefore is an awesome reason to bring in the space marines.
Post edited May 23, 2011 by nondeplumage
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nondeplumage: Flying cars are achievable with relatively small energy output. Playing with space/time requires a bit more than an engine, so one's a hell of a lot more likely to happen than the other. But in keeping with science fiction tropes, they both can lead to untold deaths and therefore is an awesome reason to bring in the space marines.
Yeah, what was that teleportation poem in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy again?

Oh, right: "I teleported home one night with Ron and Sid and Meg, Ron stole Meggie's heart away, and I got Sidney's leg." Also, I bet it's much more fun flying than being teleported, seeing how the latter is described as "not quite as fun as a good solid kick to the head".

Still, it'd cut down transportation time to pretty much nil, which is always a plus - except possibly when accounting for jetlag.
Post edited May 23, 2011 by Miaghstir
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Tulivu: ^This. Early tribal and group societies had the greatest equality and hunter/gatherer allows for the most downtime/culture.
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nondeplumage: No. Wow. That's as bad as the noble savage idea.
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Miaghstir: Meh, I'd rather step through a door near home and be in Hanoi when I put down the foot on the other side.

Screw flying cars, teleportation is where it's at.
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nondeplumage: Flying cars are achievable with relatively small energy output. Playing with space/time requires a bit more than an engine, so one's a hell of a lot more likely to happen than the other. But in keeping with science fiction tropes, they both can lead to untold deaths and therefore is an awesome reason to bring in the space marines.
I'm not saying abandon society but it is pretty basic anthropology. You can track how societies progressed from hunter/gatherer to horti and so on and how it necesitated stratification. It has progressed to the point that for our entire economy to prosper, twenty other nations are exploited. Is this not what is happening?
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Tulivu: It has progressed to the point that for our entire economy to prosper, twenty other nations are exploited. Is this not what is happening?
And we're right back to the noble savage. Your analogy of tribal life is like saying the Nazis were health conscience and therefore worth emulating because of their anti-smoking campaign. You're not exactly getting the rest of the story.
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Tulivu: It has progressed to the point that for our entire economy to prosper, twenty other nations are exploited. Is this not what is happening?
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nondeplumage: And we're right back to the noble savage. Your analogy of tribal life is like saying the Nazis were health conscience and therefore worth emulating because of their anti-smoking campaign. You're not exactly getting the rest of the story.
If it were effective, I would emulate their anti-smoking campaign. That is actually a good idea. Put a swastika on every pack and see what happens.
Tulivu, I like you :>

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GameRager: I dunno what this has to do with the topic at hand, but i'll bite.
If you had denied one my question would have been how you can derive any meaning for life. This still doesn’t answer this completely but it’s good enough to be defensible.
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GameRager: So one has to believe in an afterlife/similar to derive meaning from life? Is that what you mean?
Yes. Mankind (along with everything else) will perish eventually and not a single shred of physical information will be left of us. So per definitionem anything anyone has ever done would be meaningless as in having no consequences at all.
They too will perish. And yes, I thought of hedonism as a possible answer as well but in the end this would also only equal ignorance and wouldn’t give meaning in the long run.
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GameRager: for all we know it life will begin anew eternally or seemingly so, even if on other planets or with other species.
For all we know it won’t.
Projecting much? I am not sharing this view myself. I am just pointing out how one would have to think if this is truly one’s belief.

And regarding extraterrestrial life:
1) Advanced ones: If he won’t have received any messages of them within the next century or so then the statistical chances for their (numerous) existence are very, very low.

Take that, Carl!

2) In general: Seeing how ridiculously unlikely the existence of a planet like Earth is, I doubt that there is anyone else besides us out there.

Sure, you can’t prove it since we are only able to observe a particular area of the universe but still ...
Odds of planets like Earth rare? Mars used to be like Earth.
Exactly. USED to be. But in order for advanced societies to emerge it takes millions and millions of years. Now go and troll elsewhere, I am sick of your one-liners.

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GameRager: 3. The stats prove that there has to be other life out there.....1 planet with intelligent life out of billions of planets(even with only a small percentage capable of supporting any kind of life this number is still high)
That’s the point where Sagan was full of shit. The chance is so insignificantly small that even with the size of the universe it is highly unlikely.
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Demut: Exactly. USED to be. But in order for advanced societies to emerge it takes millions and millions of years.
Mars used to be like Earth for longer than Earth.