I refuse to believe this. Jailkeepers are town not mafia. (beacuse previous games should be ignored for greater good!)

I believe he is faking his awfulness right now to dismiss my posts, so mafia.

It was Rob's thought that it's their ploy. I find it highly unlikely.

Previous games should be ignored for the greater good apart from when you use them to build a case against someone, eh? :P


I also thought of it - sort of before and after Rob did. It was after in terms of actual time, but I thought of it (and wrote about it) before I got to the post where Rob says it.

As I said, that above post was written as I read, so read the individual bits as if they were posted just after whatever they're replying to.

I personally would like to use experiences from previous games but I was told it confuses people and shouldn't be used. So now I am convinced that nmilalr is town and there is no other way. Even if I would like to doubt it I can't. :-(


Some thoughts about flips of these 3 information wise (mind, it doesn't address their play and likeliness of such flip at all):
If nmillar flips town it will be more likely that Telika is scum but it won't be guaranteed as there could be other reasons for lack of nk. It gives no info about CSPVG.
If nmillar flips scum then again no info about CSPVG (unless nmillar would flip something else than jailkeeper but I don't think he will) and Telika would be very close to confirmation.
If Telika flips town then it will probably make nmilalr more likely to be scum but again not guaranteed. Once again, no info on CSPVG.
If Telika flips scum then nmillar will be as close as confirmed town can be without investigation. Not much on CPSVG again but maybe more likely to be town than scum trying to gain credit.
If we lynch CSPVG and he flips town which is quite likely then we are idiots and we gain no info.
If we lynch CSPVG and he flips scum which is quite unlikely then we are brilliant and crazy and it will make Telika bit more likely town and nmillar more likely scum.

That's it I think.

:B


Yeah, that sounds about right. Conclusion: Let's lynch CSPVG!

No, not really. I think probably one of the two (Telika and nmillar) is scum, but it's best to try and lynch the scum one first rather than by a process of elimination. nmillar feels scummier to me, but maybe it's OMGUS induced OMGUS (me being suspicious of him because he's suspicious of me because I was suspicious of him).

Let's be honest. This animosity stretches back to the game that resulted in our own personal rule being created. ;)

Then you leave me no choice. vote Vitek

Sounds like it would be intresting if you were both mafia.

Was considering if CSPVG was just making use of the chance, but kinda ballsy move. Anyway it appears that nmillar is the preferred target in this, so is that the majority discussion, to go with this? I must agree with Vitek's depiction of possible scenarios, which also gives an indication that lynching nmillar first would be preferred, I can't honestly imagine this to be a two way ploy, where either one of them becomes more confirmed by lynching a scum, so one of them must be and of those I consider nmillar more likely scum than Telika (though I guess statistically he would have a larger chance to have become scum, as he haven't been it before).

Could we also avoid more claims for now? :S

You are welcome to use it - I am just warning you, my way of playing mafia depends completely on my current RL situation and as such very little can be gained from it. Even more so since we usually have this discussion with you believing me scum and often vice versa :P But honestly it confused me so much that I thought that your day one example was from the other game, I am not actually sure it weren't. Thats what I meant by avoiding meta gaming. And I am also against considering someone scummy from how they acted in another game, in another situation - when faced with this situation in a different game. (General gist perhaps, but that I ignored? a liar in one game could have several reasons, just like this game has several reasons not to ignore him). But other than that you are more then welcome to do it.

I didn't mention the word crypto claiming, I mentioned what he was doing (posting clues in one posts to use as argument in another) and what the solution by Telika could lead to, even more so combined with CSPVG ;) But the rest was meant as reference to only mention the more pointless aspect of a case to refuse and not (from what I can see) consider the rest.

Don't get the wagon relation to my example?
I must admit I can't read thoughts - so when you don't mention something and only use part of a case to dismiss it, I have to assume that you ignored the rest and better points ;)

But I am glad you are jumping back to voting for me in this situation, heck me going by LAL is strange we only have at least 2 other people who have expressed similar notions, if it weren't for this latest Telika/nmillar situation.

I didn't think I tended to carry those sorts of feelings from game to game, but perhaps subconsciously I do...

Well now you've made that observation does this mean we have a rivalry? Have you been considering us rivals since that game? >_>

You never got the hang of statistics did you? :P

You're no Robbeasy.

Depends how you look at it...

Since the draw of being scum is not related to whether one was scum or not before, the chance of being so is the same for each game. Lets say 1/4 (3/12). So if he was scum in the last game, his chances for being scum in this is 1/4, and his chances of being scum in this game if he was town in the last game is also 1/4.

@red
Thanks for helping me get things clearer in my mind. Quick question are you viteks mafia boss?


@P1na
I saw your vote as critical as belive i'm right in saying at that point amok and red were on a similar number of votes. So if you'd moved your vote in all likely hood one of them would have been lynched.

Is possible that amok and red are your mafia buddies and that's why you didn't vote for either. But consider that unlikely.


Really can't see Telika as been town though nmillar's claim doesn't prove it one way or the other. Plus is outside chance he's bussing as done it before. Though given state of game I think that's unlikely.


Am voting for flub as most of his posts have been meaningless with no effort made to find mafia. Plus got a no town result when investigated him.

Was most disappointed not to have a day kill but day cop ability was quite fun too.

Currently looking at mafia of flub, Telika and amok.

That was exactly my point (but you actually explained it instead of just being snarky like me). Chances of being scum in any given game aren't in any way affected by previous games.


So in other words, it doesn't depend on how you look at it.
I'm not quite sure what you meant by "Depends how you look at it..." when you just went on to agree with me. :P

Ouch, my heartbone.

Actually, I have a question. I've been hearing this whole "mafia buddies" thing from the very beginning, but aren't mafia supposed to communicate at night? How can you know who is your mafia buddy if you haven't gotten the chance to talk yet?

This is under the assumption there's a private forum somewhere only mafia players have access to where they discuss their moves, the way there was one set up for dead players on the last game I played.

In the previous game, mafia knew their scumbuddies from the PM. I think it's usually so.

'Tis only fair I guess.


Only impression I got form this is that you are trying to avoid being "metaed" so it can't be used against you.
Sorry, I am not going to grant your request.

But seriously, look at it and tell me it is not the same situation as here.

So?
What about them?

I also said that your LAL is mostly null for you. Thanks to meta. It's not why I am voting you.



He indeed is. But he recently cut my benefits and makes me work overtime with no lunch break so I am already thinking of quitting. :-/

Have you played with flub before?