Oh yes, information - Not neutrals, I don't care about faction in this situation - the target could be anything, as we likely have little chance of getting anything to actually make a justified choice on day one. That said the reason I suggested him or Zchinque is because given the knowledge we have it appears that we will learn the most from lynching them (as the others could be anything, we do at least know they are something if you catch my meaning).

Well, I agree - the reason is horrible. However a reason is better than no reason. Meaning that if I was to for instance suggest you as the target I would have no indication that your info would be worth anything, you could just be vanilla or you could be scum, however I have no clue either way. But both amok and Zchinque already made claims to being something other than just default vanilla, thus they by that admission already should give us more information. So thats my reason, as scum hunting on day one, unlikely to succeed.

Sounds like a Joe role to me, now that would either mean that you'r also truthful about your faction and win condition, or if joe had some form of twist (abused by owner?) that its not a town win. However I tend to believe that. Thus having established the likely info to gain from lynching you (even if I believe you gave out a little quick) I say we should lynch Zchinque to discover why he is intend on voting and what he actually is.

Thus unvote vote Zchinque

Ps. quick note to Joe: dogs do have a gender ;)

Dogs don't tend to ski.

Anyway, Amok is not telling the whole truth about his role. He might be straight up lying, he might not, but he's not telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

And Vote Red Baron. I wish I had done that earlier, when I figured it out was my most probable cause of action (that would have been after his post #218), so that it couldn't have been construed as sheeping Vitek and/or OMGUS. Now you will have to make of it what you will.

His reasons for voting amok, and subsequently me, are not only horrible, as he admits, they're absolute crap and does not signify a town mentality. Suggesting an "info lynch" when the game isn't under deadline, which it wasn't at the time, is a really bad idea. And in this case, the so-called "info lynch" wouldn't actually give any good info (that we know of) at all. Info lynches are possibly worthwhile when they can tell us something about other players, usually through their interactions with the lynchee. In this case, the only info one could be reasonably sure to get from the lynch of either me or amok (at least at the time when RB suggested it) would be info that is already available in the thread - namely that me or amok is not amongst the names listed in the opening scene. Verifying that info tells us nothing about other players or the game as a whole, and is as such not worth nearly as much as a lynch.

Argh, why are you so insistent on claiming!? That's twice you've claimed in reply to one of my posts where I haven't asked you to claim. I was asking why you had claimed as much as you had, not asking you to claim more.

I don't understand why you're neutral if your win and lose conditions are exactly the same as ours. I think there's something you've not mentioned.

Vote stands.

SImple, I do not care about you. I do not care how many bodies I need to walk over to get to the killers. I just want to avenge my master.

For town, the main aim is to survive. For me the main aim is to catch the killers. The end result is the same, but the methods to achieve them may be different. However, we could work together and everything would end up rosy.

For an individual townie the aim isn't to survive, just to catch the killers. I say this because townies win as a faction. Does your win condition require you to be involved in their lynches and/or survive to the end of the game?

Bernhard? I don't think Joe would make a spelling mistake in such an important aspect of a role PM, so that's a false claim right there.

Somebody (Jesskitten?) claimed neutral in a previous game, and turned out to be mafia (and won the game). I think an observer (Zchinque?) pointed out afterwards that anyone claiming to be neutral under a bit of pressure should be lynched.

Unvote JMich, vote amok.

You are right, but I did not copy-paste my message, so the spelling mistake is all mine. I think that most of you have seen I am incapable of putting together two sentences without having at least five grammatical mistakes. I know it is supposed to be St. Bernard, but this is what you get when I am not allowed to edit my posts for grammar.

No, neither, I just need to get my vengeance. I am fully prepared to not survive day one, but that is fine as long as the puzzle is solved. Which is why I am a bit keen to get all the clues out in the open.

How is that different from any town role you've ever played before ?

if you are dead you do not win?

No survival requirement for townies to win.

then I honestly do not know. I am only telling what I have been given - that I am outside of town, and that my only concern is to avenge my master (which I see is by solving the clues of his murder)

Throwing something out there then, what if the one or more of the murderers are in fact town? and that the scum is not or not all of the killers?

Well then are you suggesting we lynch those murdering townies??

I do not see it happen, to be honest, I do believe that the killers are the scum.

It was just a random thought to explain why I have such a strange position. Feel free to ignore, I tend to think out loud... and speak before thinking.

Do you have any powers to help in the search for your master's killers? I only ask because, as it stands, you sound like little more than a townie with a different outward appearance. While I could perhaps accept the insanity of a St. Bernard being a player's identity( this is a Joe game, after all), I do find it odd that you seem to have no extra abilities, because( and correct me if I'm wrong) most neutrals do.

Furthermore, your comments seem to be getting more ludicrous. While townies being evil may be an interesting idea, I think it doesn't make a whole lot of sense within the context of this game. Your going to have to do some serious explaining, as I'm on the verge of voting for you.