Well, I think he should be lynched on principle, he did undermine the spirit of the game, whether intentional or not it shouldn't be allowed to slip by. I do think he's scum though, and well no with the inconsistency with the paraphrase/quote he's looking even more scummy.

hey just posting to apologise about lack of posts as Christmas gets closer iv been getting busier and i don't expect to post for about 3 more day

If you read what I write then I quite clearly state: I asked for permission to quote it (at the time not really being aware of the difference between the two). I got a consent to paraphrase it and thus write that I got consent and post a paraphrase (a too close paraphrasing as already said).. You'll notice that I've called paraphrasing all the time, and only time I mention quoting is before posting it.

As I've already argument I didn't break the spirit of the game.. if I made a complete quote of everything I made and posted what violator wrote to me as well, that would be breaking the spirit of the game. Paraphrasing some info that might be true or might not, doesn't break the spirit of the game. Its part of the game. And in any case it gives no new info at all.. it hasn't been neither confirmed nor denied. So could you please refer to how this is much different from a claim? A post of night actions (which it is)? I don't break the game to prove anything about myself, other than I show a clear desire to claim the kill of Vitek as my own. Thats not breaking the game spirit, it might just be a rather strange cause of action. And your still not saying anything why I look scummy for claiming the kill.. Could you please give any reason as to why I would do it? And what inconsistency are you talking about? There is none. But heck if you desire to outright show that your only interest is to lynch me no matter the arguments, I guess I've already helped town get an idea about who to lynch next.

I am still very interested in hearing the reason those that have voted for me stating me as scummy come up with that theory. Because I don't see an argument that supports it. I think your all perfectly aware that if I said nothing I would never have been noticed for it.. So the only reason would be to tell you about the kill for the reason I already stated - I really ask you to keep it in mind all the time.

In regards of the claiming, since I am not a L2 anymore and as I still don't see any sound townies voting based on something different than anger/surprise about the whole pm/paraphrasing. Oh and yea, then we have those who just jumps the argument without really looking at anything other than the chance to kill a town.

To sum up that would be:
NFY
Orryyrro (A little less than NFY as he at least voted based on his own arguments, although flawed as they are)

Take note of those that state really odd arguments for the lynch, those names might come in handy for later lynches.

I just finally finished my big reread. I've got lots of things I'd like to mention, but before I do that (later today, possibly), there are just a few things:

Red_Baron, you really should clear up that quote / paraphrasing confusion. But I still do believe your claim, for reasons I will give later. Also, I don't really see a need for you to do a regular old fullclaim, as you've already told us you're the one shot vig? Unless there's more information you have that could be useful for us, you have for all intents and purposes claimed already.

nmillar, a question: I presume you still believe there are multiple mafias running about. How many, do you think?

For the sake of honesty: I never said myself that I was a oneshot vigilanty - But no, not really any new info I can give, as I basically have already shared all I have for now.

Yes, you did say you were a one-shot.

And yes you did claim it was an exact quote, I mean, how else would we be expected to try and make more sense of it?


So, please stop lying.

Yes, I said that the ability was a one shot, I never said anything about anything else.. (I really shouldn't have to cut this out in paper, but seems like Orryyrro is trying very hard to fish for it).

No, I didn't claim it was an exact quote, thats your conclusion. I said I got consent, not specifying what I got consent for posting, and you'll see that I never called it a quote after posting it. And yes I can expect others to notice stuff from it, since its the same if Baz posts his protection paraphrasing (I did however paraphrase it too closely in order not to lose anything from the pm). How you come up with the fact that I must be lying because your making an assumption based on something you consider that I might have done or might have as a role and so on. I have never said it myself.

As before, your not saying anything as to my reasons, your just nitpicking in stuff without any real value to it in order to get some sort of credibility for your vote. It makes me wonder why your trying so hard to find some evidence without being able to even say why I would act as I did, since you apparently find it so scummy..

Each post I feel you move up on my list of suspects, but can't really say that your higher than NFY as she haven't even posted since the post that made her top on my list. There must be a good bit of observers to this whole discussion and I hope they can make use of what occurs, no matter the outcome - Would have been a shame to have started all of this, if it ends up servering no purpose.

On a side note: I like your post Baz, as it from what I am reading, seems like you honestly have thought this whole argument through and seen/judged the reactions. (Just forgot to say that in my other post).

You used the term quote and then said you'd been given consent. No where in that post do you use the word paraphrase. Your wording heavily implies that you were given permission to quote and then quoted.

Yes, you did. You said you performed the kill. Are you claiming one-shot mafia? If not you're one-shot vigilante.
Yes, you did! You said you asked for permission to post a quote. You said you got consent. Without any other qualifiers that means you got consent to do what you asked to do.

And yes, you never did claim that it was paraphrasing two posts later, but there are a whole bunch of posts by other people in between calling it suspicious, in other words it seems like insane backpedaling.

Do I think you quoted the pm you got from actually the nightkill? No. If I did I wouldn't be voting for you.

Do I think you go permission to quote the pm? No, I don't.

Do i think you made the nightkill? Yes.

I think you asked ViolatorX if it would be okay to rearrange the kill scene slightly, claim it was your PM and claim he gave you permission to post it.

I think you're mafia and performed the nightkill. I think you did get flavour related to the kill but flavour that was different than what you posted, flavour that makes it clear that you're scum.

You're trying to obfuscate what you previously said with your insane backpedaling, it would work a lot better if I couldn't just look at previous pages to see what you said.

._.

There are other roles.

I have a small problem with this.

You posted the now infamous 'pm post' 4 days ago. Included in that post is :-

'PrePostEdit: Just noticed that I got the consent from ViolatorX, so here is the pm I got, perhaps some of you can make more out of it than whats already been written, though I doubt it: '

Since that time there has been 4 days of people posting and commenting on you being able to post your PM as you received it - nearly everyone has mentioned it, I even said I find it difficult to believe the Mod gave you 'permission to quote your PM verbatim'.

You let 4 days of this slide by, not correcting anyone's view that the PM was quoted verbatim, until now, when you suddenly say in post 929 that you were 'paraphrasing' .

Surely you must have realised early on that most of the unbelief and the dismay at the PM post was because it was thought to be posted verbatim ie as you received it from the MOD?

You had 4 days to correct that plainly obvious assumption everyone has made, yet you neglect to - until you slip up and suddenly call it 'paraphrasing' 4 days later!

There is a massive difference between 'paraphrasing' and quoting verbatim - you knew that, yet leave it hanging for that amount of time.....

If I could only work out why you would as Mafia come up with the play you have today, I would happily vote for you, because that stinks. It stinks to high heaven. But I can't for the life of me work out why you would do as you have done, if you were Mafia.

The one-shot vigilante thing i understand - you said you were one-shot, just not what you were a one-shot of....

that perform night-kills and get the sort of flavour he claimed to get? He could be jack-of-all-trades or some-such thing. But if he were jack-of-all-trades, surely he'd have some abilities left and avoid claiming?

the pitfalls of writing a long post - looks like i was ninja'd by Orry.

And as for the Vigilante or not - I dont know enough about the game to know if there is another role that Red could be that fits the one-shot claim.

[url=http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Killing_roles]Killing Roles[/url]

On that list it's basically just vigilante, though Jack-of-All-Trades can also have a one-shot vigilante power.

True, but as I said: I didn't really know the difference when I wrote about it.. When I got the consent from Violator he said paraphrase hence I looked up what he meant and thus I been using it with the correct meaning ever since.. this means I wrote quote and then paraphrased it - No way I can prove it, but thats basically it, other than say look back at my post and you'll see that I never said that what I posted was a quote and only used the word paraphrase ever since.

Your role fishing again or as SirPrimalform already said, are you aware that there are other roles in a mafia game?

No it doesn't. SirPrimalform is correct when he says it implies it.. it doesn't mean it.


Insane backpadeling? I am just stating my reasons for it, because SirPrimalform asked me to clarify it.. Him being the first to even comment about that, even though as mentioned several times already: I have only been calling it a paraphrasing ever since I posted it.


Okay... but you voted on me because of it, and you still haven't given any reason as to why I would claim the kill and why I would post the paraphrase?


Good, you just proved that I didn't break the game, since I quite clearly haven't used the pm paraphrasing to prove myself by forcing the mod..


Well at least I got that out of it - Keep that in mind as well then - You still haven't mentioned with a single word why I would ever do this? Why would I throw out this info and do everything in my power to convince you that I did kill someone? Thats not really the usual point of being a scum to declare to the world that you just night-killed someone. So whats your theory? Do you even have one or are you trying for the easy lynch target with the best evidence of yours being that I mention quoting in the beginning of my post and when I post the paraphrase I don't mention that its a paraphrase before my next post?

Thats a weak argument, since no matter what you won't even believe that the pm gives real info, while at the same time its your main argument for voting. And since you believe the kill would you really rather believe I made up an entire elaborate plan to make a false night action story, ask for permission to post it, all for being able to claim the kill I already claimed?? How exactly does that make sense? Wouldn't it have been way easier to lets say, just use the kill story I got and paraphrase it?


Okay, well that could be true, again I guess you gotta admit that I properly didn't have to change the kill paraphrasing then? Or maybe I used an invention to shot the crossbow? Bah.. You still haven't said anything about why I would even claim the kill and then post a paraphrase of the claim to further prove it..

Please do and then actually my post and then try to answer my question to you.. also read the whole thing from the beginning and notice the insane pressure that made me completely crack and claim the night kill as really advanced plot to disguise myself as a killer.. Wait what?