Go ahead. The cops and the busybodies of the night are more or less independent.
Could you rephrase that, please?

Doh, added an unneeded "doesn't" in the sentence.. What I meant was that the order of things is not specifically fixed as I assume them to be dependent on thought and results as well :) Kinda clumsy written though.

Anyway a close paraphrase of my results then:

It says that I drove around in my car to find Jef, whom I find leaving a local cafe and I stop my car. I explain to her whom I am and why I am there and she finally accepts it and goes into my car. I head for a nearby hotel.

I get her a room next to mine, say goodbye and go to my own room where I drink a lot of coffee to make certain I don't fall asleep if anything should happen.

Its ends by saying: You have protected Jefequeso

Oh, of course. If we catch a liar, we lynch a liar, and change the plan accordingly if needed.

Me to show?

I investigated Baron. Guilty, as usual. The flavour was interesting though.

He is (or used to be) a fence, and operates some kind of shop in what used to be the main area of the gangland, when the factions were still fighting. I was also told that his abilities are at the same level as a standard Black Vipers member.

With this info, combined with the last few game-days of posting, I'm beginning to think he's a mafia JoaT... Seemed very keen today to prove he was definitely protecting someone last night like a good townie should...

(Addendum: His flavour also confirms Jefe's kill, since she was just leaving the café at the time.)

Cross-checking that with nmillar, the previous days the info he received was either the same person like you, or one position down. This time, it's one position up; but there is nowhere to go down as RB is the last one in the list, other than looping around. By which I mean your and nmillar's info checks out.

Just going to say here that you appear to have more info about me, than I myself do.. Only knowledge I have that fit slightly with what you said is that my role flavor mentions that my skills have kept my alive when working in a zone with frequent crossfire. But nothing in regards of being a fence nor the other stuff. And I don't really see it making sense that I am known as mister-fix-it and at the same time running a fence? Unless I repair stolen goods, which again there is no mention of anywhere..

I don't think you dealing in stolen goods and being Mr Fix-it are contradictory.

The hole in my idea is of course that it's highly unlikely there's a BV member running around as well as another SH. Unless you were supposed to recruit Vitek the traitor, but killed him by accident.

You're up for being lynched today anyway, so never mind. ;D

By the way Violator, thanks for the umbrella. That gave me a good few minutes of amusement, so much so that I decided to keep it. *Twirl*

Indeed (if it happens) and then there is one of two options: Violator is giving you oddball results or your making some of it up. Problem with it is, that if you get lynched/killed by jef when I turn town, then there is the risk that its just your paranoia working its way in.

But a logical argument is needed here:
I know that it can't be jef, saw her come out from the cafe, so he did the kill and no shattered hand was present (unless he is the unlikely serial killer.. does the game actually continue even if no scum is in there if thats the case? Dunno).

I dunno about Baz, did nmillar get anything confirmation of being blocked/protected by Baz? Like jef did? Assume him to be town due to jef, but he could still be scum

I know who I am myself

I believe nmillar

We then have NFY, whom I don't really see as scum, due to her role and its connection with nmillar - But nothing said about alignment still.

So from my perspective there can only be two suspects: Baz and NFY. If I look at situation - I was considering Baz, but he did have the jef confirmation, but would fit better since shattered hand already had a cop role.

NFY: Well, what to me speaks of her being town is the connection with nmillar, but her post of night actions gives me a scummy feeling (though sadly I don't know if the results are made up by her or Violator (since nmillar also got results the player himself didn't know, I consider that an option as well)).

But yea conclusion: If I am lynched and when I then turn town, I recommend jef to kill baz.. If no night kill occurred and no kill occurred: Then Baz protected himself -> Scum
If Baz dies -> NFY scum

Town wins, unless Jef is some odd ball serial killer, which I find unlikely. (and of course the whole thing is also based upon us believing that if jef is scum and kills it would show up with the tell-tell signs).

My counter argument to that is to compare my previous results: specifically Primal's. I was told he had a class A conviction, which he knew nothing about. The rest of it was completely true. As you say, nmillar also knew more about Damnation's possession charge than he did. And it's not the criminal convictions which make me intensely suspicious of you at the moment, it's the specific mention of the Black Vipers.

Also, reminder that if town's interest would be served by my demise, you'll need to lynch me - I can't be vigged due to the riot gear.

Your post, Baron, post is chock-full of little "if"s and "but"s to encourage doubt. On the contrary, I'm more and more convinced you're the one we want. But let's not be hasty. For a start, this doesn't fit with the attack patterns of the mafia factions, unless you had a "neutral" vig ability as well...

Really quickly (since I need to get to class):

I successfully killed Damnation (as you can see), and was protected during the night (I suppose this clears Red_Baron. Man, I really thought you were scum!)

If there's any more information people need, I'll post more after classes.

I'll keep it simple: nmillar was at home and very much asleep. I rather rudely woke him up by knocking on the door, received a blank sleepy stare as an answer, gave him some pills and my doctorly catchphrase and spent the rest of the night in my car just outside the house. End of story.

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I agree with Frenchie. Occam's razor has made its cut and says Red Baron is a mafia JoaT. It's the neatest explanation I can think of by far. A mafia JoaT with a killing power in case a) both he and Orry want to kill on the same night (evil!) or b) to kill on a Gambiani night. Which would explain the weird inconsistency of the flavour -- the same killer (presumably), but a different killing action. And it's a very power-heavy game, so the other powers come in handy when dealing with those pesky townies.

vote Red_Baron

And if I'm wrong, I'll eat my hat. I'll have to buy one first, though.

(Also, my apologies to Mr Sergei Borslov for suspecting him only because he is a foreigner. That was most culturally unsensitive of me. I'm sure he's a valuable member of the community.)

(Oh and if I am wrong, the plan can still continue. Isn't it nice, this whole pants down thing?)

First could nmillar confirm this?

Then its a good explanation that one mafia is way more powerful than the other faction?? Consider for a second my abilities, my other ability and Orry's role. Then consider what the gambiani had.. any sense in balance?

Second got a tracker left, but well, if town goes with the plan I suggested I see no problem in lynching myself to prove it.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Vote Red_Baron

I find your lack of faith disturbing.. but heck we won't really need the tracker.. I am skipping out on two abilities, but heck, as long as town wins.

vote Red_Baron

And please consider what I wrote earlier about the plan eh? ;)