Indeed, I been smelling it for a while ;) As I believe I said earlier: If I had to go with gut feeling I'll say lynch Baz :) He is an unconfirmed entity and since the plan has meet no disapproval from anyone, where either dealing with a scum who just wants to play a final bluff before dying or one of those who survive. I already stated who I trust and who I believe must be honest due to balance. That leaves only Baz. The other claim made that we need a doc on town side.. well do we? We had a backup role, a jack of all trades with a protect and we also had a 2 times bulletproof cop role + another cop role + a lover who turned vigilante. So would the doc be required? Anyway, much is revealed when the other party of the plan -> Zchinque goes, if he is town I am rather certain we have Baz as the one (So whomever survives keep this in mind & also Jef might want to consider it as well). If Zchinque is scum, well then he was just playing hard to get and I assume the game will be over.

(NFY I agree - Hence maybe why we wanted to?)

Once again, I'm not very good at unraveling these sort of plans...but I DO find it very suspicious that this information came out at the exact time you would expect a last-ditch mafia ploy to show up.

I was pretty certain NFY was town, but now I have some doubt. I'll wait for the more savy of you to tackle this before I form a opinion.

As a last ditch stand, it's rather weak, isn't it?

Baron, are you or are you not bulletproof? Are you or are you not hiding something from us? A straightforward answer, please. No hinting at, no insinuating. Just spill it out.

(I think the plan could be well changed to have Baron hammer SPF today, it's flexible enough for that.)

I'm really confused, but as my input to the game is soon to be cut short it doesn't really matter if I have no idea what's going on.

I have no idea. I'm not at all sure how it effects Z's plan.

No its not... The idea is to use the protective roles remember: I have a protect which would be needed to protect Jef - The town roles and SPF was chosen due to being either impossible to get nightkilled (unless Jef wants to :P) and for not having a power.

The idea with the plan is not too kill as many as possible. The idea is to confirm as many as possible: How its done doesn't really matter -> If we die to prove where town so others can catch the guilty fine, if we prove it by knowledge or actions fine.

My comment was meant as a consideration. We're going along with the plan, but know that I am looking at you ;) But that still means that the false image of you being 100% certain town needs to be advised against: Since its not 100% - actually we don't have any proof at all for you being town ;)

I've already commented on it in regards of the plan - not going to say anything else.

Also hehe, I like your post SPf, though I find it sad that one I consider town is going for the sake of a plan like this, but heck, we have no choice - but to follow along and hope that the majority is correct.

In my defence, I'd say Baron's acting a lot weirder than I am. >_>; I'm not sure how it effects the plan either, which is the entire reason for my belated reveal. If I knew how it'd work I would have said earlier, but I lost time trying (and failing) to work it out by myself.

At this point, I'm almost entirely convinced that Red_Baron is scum. But I'm afraid that he'll end up flipping town, and I'll look like an idiot :P

Regardless, I'd like for this plan to involve his death as early as possible, because I'm ITCHING to know if I'm right or not.

Granted, his latest behaviour has been extremely odd. But no one else has provided an explanation for the Vitek kill he claims to have performed, and the flavour was inconsistent with the Shattered Hand kills.

And if you want to theorise further and say that was what a Gambiani kill looks like (as it was presumably their turn to kill that night), that would mean RB is a third Gambiani, in which case there is (most likely) a third Shattered Hand and the odds of the game have been heavily stacked against town from the very start. Also, the way Robbeasy was gunning for him on D3 rather speaks against that.

But yeah, the way he keeps avoiding perfectly straightforward and simple questions is suspicious to say the least.

It's just that he seems SO MUCH like scum to me. But as you say, there's that darn Vitek kill to be accounted for... Could he also be an unaffiliated scum, similar to Vitek? I don't know...I'm probably just barking up the wrong tree.

Even if there WERE 3 SH and 3 G, does that really mean that the odds were stacked against town, given how many power roles we seem to have? Or is this many normal?

How many Mafia do you think are left?

Power roles don't change the fact that the town needs to have a relatively large margin for error when lynching. It's very unrealistic to expect town to lynch scum every day; with 8 townies and 6 scum at the start (Vitek was apparently a 3rd party) the town's fate could be sealed after the first, at most the second mislynch.

But with more Mafia, the Town also has an increased chance of lynching Mafia. So the tradeoff might be worth it. Also, you have to consider roles like mine and SPF's, which increase the kills that the Town can make.

Either way, though, Red_Baron is setting off my scumdar. Perhaps my scumdar is broken.

The only question I have avoided as you call it, is one I haven¨t answered directly. And one you wouldn't even know of, if it hadn't been required to be prepared for such outcome.

Other than that you've surprised me there I hadn't considered those facts :O.

Also jef: a traitor is mostly counted towards scum side, even if he is third party.

But yes in regards of my recent posts: Its mainly my nagging concern expressing itself and presenting the idea to others should the worst come to worst. And yes, call it a way to pass to time until the plan moves along..

One last thing I was considering, which I believe I should suggest: That Baz protects/block NFY - or if we have another with activated ability.. could be me if jef aren't meant to kill me, this is for two reasons: One it prevents a player from performing his actions - two if its an active ability it proves that Baz is indeed doing his roleblock. Now, that means we get confirmation that the plan is being followed and makes it easier to judge those who I consider hard to spot in the current one. Of course Baz could also block me, having me confirm it after.. would mean a wasted oneshot from my side and make a wasted kill by jef -> So isn't NFY the only other with an blockable ability?

... nnnope, "not answering directly" looks like avoiding to me.