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michaelleung: I like Intel more than AMD. I can't honestly give you a reason why, though.

If you want a high end processor and are the kind of person that would happily take out a loan from Tony Soprano then Intel is the way to go. AMD still deliver better bang for buck at their price points though.
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michaelleung: I like Intel more than AMD. I can't honestly give you a reason why, though.
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Navagon: If you want a high end processor and are the kind of person that would happily take out a loan from Tony Soprano then Intel is the way to go. AMD still deliver better bang for buck at their price points though.

Well I'm not in the market for the i7, but the QX9650.
How did this turn into Intel vs AMD?
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AndrewC: How did this turn into Intel vs AMD?

Because we're discussing the broader issues of the OP - the state of the PC market and the abandonment thereof.
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michaelleung: Well I'm not in the market for the i7, but the QX9650.

Really? I can only assume it's better priced where you are.
Post edited February 06, 2010 by Navagon
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taczillabr: I can't see biggggg things for PC in the near future, even if I want to, even Intel "failed" commercially with its GPU project.
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Navagon: I haven't liked Intel since they decided to play at being the geek mafia. If their market share takes a hit then that's good news to me. We don't need shitty practices like that. We get enough dodgy shit from Microsoft.

As a company they can be kind of a mafia, but the researchers and projects that they have sure aren't, they always have something good going forward. There should be some good people inside Microsoft, too, just not the executive's mafia.
I wasn't reluctant to see a new face in the high end graphics, competition is always good (for the consumer :p at least), and I'm tired of a nvidia that is always recycling products. I was confident on the intel product, still I would just love that Intel assumed how much crap their graphics have been over the last years, I'd give them a chance.
I'm just waiting, waitinggg for all this season thingie between ati and nvidia come to an end, then I'll buy a new GPU. Probably I'll go intel and ati, if nvidia can't deliver something new.
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michaelleung: Well I'm not in the market for the i7, but the QX9650.

What's the price there now? It's 2 years old.
Nvidia was only allowed to recycle products because ATI performed so badly with the 2xxx and 3xxx series cards. Nvidia were allowed to sit back and rip off their customers with rebranded cards. Nvidia now are in a dodgy situation, at war with Intel and ATI now have the tech edge. Unless Fermi is both spectacularly good and price competitive with ATI then they are only going to continue losing market share.
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Delixe: Nvidia was only allowed to recycle products because ATI performed so badly with the 2xxx and 3xxx series cards. Nvidia were allowed to sit back and rip off their customers with rebranded cards. Nvidia now are in a dodgy situation, at war with Intel and ATI now have the tech edge. Unless Fermi is both spectacularly good and price competitive with ATI then they are only going to continue losing market share.

So just because ati performed badly, nvidia can go and put out a slightly better product and start to rip off their regular clients with recycled products? That's another "mafia" thing for me, it's no excuse. And then there's the hole dx10 and 10.1 business...
They're all the same and all about the money, but yes I would give a chance to Intel.
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AndrewC: How did this turn into Intel vs AMD?

Because that fight spills over to any forum on the web. I'm an AMD and Nvidia guypersonally because their stuff works for a good price. ATI and Intel, in my experience, have parts that fry. And I built dozens of PC's to figure this out so anyone who says I'm wrong will also tell Elvis Presley he's not dead to his face and can't be credited :P
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Delixe: Nvidia was only allowed to recycle products because ATI performed so badly with the 2xxx and 3xxx series cards. Nvidia were allowed to sit back and rip off their customers with rebranded cards. Nvidia now are in a dodgy situation, at war with Intel and ATI now have the tech edge. Unless Fermi is both spectacularly good and price competitive with ATI then they are only going to continue losing market share.
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taczillabr: So just because ati performed badly, nvidia can go and put out a slightly better product and start to rip off their regular clients with recycled products? That's another "mafia" thing for me, it's no excuse. And then there's the hole dx10 and 10.1 business...
They're all the same and all about the money, but yes I would give a chance to Intel.

This is why I am very much now on the Red Team's side. Nvidia behaved disgracefully and they abused the very people who put them there. AMD/ATI needed a break and Nvidia delivered. Nvidia were so busy milking their customers and starting a pointless war with Intel they forgot their customers and they forgot ATI.
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/704691/Fable-3-Box-Art-Reveals-PC-Version.html]Please say this is so...
Fable 3 X-Box 360 box art at the top says "Only on XBox 360 & Windows."[/url]
I'd be happy if there is a Fable 3 PC planned.
Though, I'd like to see Fable 2 PC come here, too....
Post edited May 14, 2010 by MysterD
Their response is, “We’ve made no official announcements but please stay tuned,” Usually it's "we don't comment on rumors or speculation."
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chautemoc: Their response is, “We’ve made no official announcements but please stay tuned,” Usually it's "we don't comment on rumors or speculation."

Microsoft recently showed a demo off, which showed a game can be Clouded w/ the same saves for Xbox 360, Windows 7 PC's, and Windows 7 Mobile - which sounds really cool to me! :)
I think Microsoft might be trying to compete w/ Steam, since Steam now has for some games that Steamplay feature for games having Windows and Mac support.
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Also, I think it'd be awesome if Fable 3 comes to the PC and has X-Play b/t PC and X360 gamers over G4WL/XBLive.
Post edited May 16, 2010 by MysterD
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Delixe: Fablle 1 & 2 are owned by Microsoft. Microsoft care little about making money. You will never see Fable 2 and 3 on the PC no matter what frog boy says.Molyneux helped to create this world, let him stew in it.

Care little about making money? Last time I heard Microsoft is a corporation.
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Delixe: Fablle 1 & 2 are owned by Microsoft. Microsoft care little about making money. You will never see Fable 2 and 3 on the PC no matter what frog boy says.Molyneux helped to create this world, let him stew in it.
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Gimgak: Care little about making money? Last time I heard Microsoft is a corporation.

Amen.
I'm sure most companies would love to make $$$ off PC gamers, as long as they could figure out a way around using the "piracy killed our game sales" excuse when that's usually one of of many problems that plague our platform...