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_Bruce_: [...] After threatening to leave one place multiple times after I eventually did they offered to hire me back for nearly double what they were paying me - I would have stayed for 20% more.
I don't know the American market, but here where I live, this is true indeed. Of course, you have to be THAT good.
On a side note:
As long as you have a boss and/or you work for a company you need always keep in mind that they have their interest which contradict your own and they will always pursue their interests first. The trick is to make them believe it's in their interest to give you what you want.
The difficult part is getting to that point.
Post edited July 17, 2013 by Khadgar42
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SDWeimer: That is what I have been doing through the help of my GM she really wants me to succeed therefore she is giving me more shifts that prove just what i can do,
Sounds like you have a sort of mentor looking out for you. In her position she is likely privy to the nuts and bolts of the business, and also what you can do to improve your chances. Make good use of the advice she offers - we can tell you from afar what to do and what to don't, but none of us know how your company runs.
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SDWeimer: I thought about telling them i'm willing to take a promotion without a pay raise as mainly I need the hours more than the money, cause they cut hours back to 29/wk for crew to avoid the obamacare nonsense, but I as with anyone i have bills to pay and i'm not fond of defaulting on my debts due to lack of hours to pay for my bills. Can go into details of my expenses if it helps.
If they cut back in response to Obamacare, I think the problem here is internal politics. You're probably not playing the game as well as the other people are.

I'd also point out that this isn't a well run company if they're cutting back on hours due to that. I'd also suggest that getting a new job at a different company is likely to be a better long term solution as it sounds like this company is CTD.

Unless you're a member of a protected class AND you can prove that this was the cause of the lost promotions, the likelihood of winning a lawsuit is pretty much zilch.

IANAL, but that's what an attorney would likely tell you. Obviously, there may be more information that points towards discrimination, but the SCrOTUmS bend over backwards for employers, so I wouldn't expect to win a suit unless it was completely flawless.
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_Bruce_: [...] After threatening to leave one place multiple times after I eventually did they offered to hire me back for nearly double what they were paying me - I would have stayed for 20% more.
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Khadgar42: I don't know the American market, but here where I live, this is true indeed. Of course, you have to be THAT good.
On a side note:
As long as you have a boss and/or you work for a company you need always keep in mind that they have their interest which contradict your own and they will always pursue their interests first. The trick is to make them believe it's in their interest to give you what you want.
The difficult part is getting to that point.
It depends a great deal on where you are and how in demand your skills are. Generally, you don't get pay raises unless they're baked into the contract. I think the only times I've gotten raises in the US was the result of a union contract calling for it. Even just getting boni is rather unusual these days.

But, if you've got experience and are in a demand field, sometimes threatening to quit is what needs to happen. The key though is that you have to be in a position to follow through on it and preferably already have job applications out there and HR checking references. If they don't see evidence that you're really going to do it, you're much less likely to succeed.

Anyways, around here you can probably get away with that, our unemployment rate is back to pre-recession levels, but in many places the employment market is still too soft for hardball.
Post edited July 18, 2013 by hedwards
What do you do? Also, change employers?
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SDWeimer: In the business world is there a form of discrimination to not promote someone who makes more than the shift managers?
Without knowing all of the details I would say this specific reason is highly unlikely. A policy of not promoting based upon comparative compensation levels is counter productive for an organization when measured in risk/reward terms. Any form of discriminatory human resource policy exposes the enterprise to the risk of litigation. The cost of defending such litigation is potentially enormous, particularly if such a case actually goes to trial. And trust me, very few make it to trial because the business considers it less expensive to settle out of court even if the settlement runs five figures.

So, and I don't mean to make this sound condescending in any way, whatever issue they have with the pay differential between yourself and shift managers is likely peanuts compared to the potential cost of actually engaging in a discriminatory policy of some sort.
Post edited July 18, 2013 by HomerSimpson
thanks for the answers. Will keep all the information in mind.