Read their reasoning, posted pretty much the same thing on their forums months ago- with actual quotes/ references to what they'd said and a decent amount less snark.

The patch thing is easily verifiable, if you use the launcher to download patches from their previous games it's the same patch irregardless of where you bought including retail, steam, GG etc and Pdox themselves have said that repeatedly. Patching only became an 'issue' because it's on the PR sheet they get from steam, it was never an actual problem. And again, for all their claims about support and patching being hard they're making Linux and Mac versions...

It was completely predictable that the GG version of CK2 would 'sell poorly' because that was clearly what they wanted- if they wanted better drm free sales they would have sold it here as well. They made it with reluctance having initially planned a steam only release, never promoted it and gave steam the first and best sales. Bet it sold better, and cost less to support than the Linux (and, frankly, Mac) version anyway. Their actual reasoning is the last point in my little rant- when it comes right down to it the people who want no steam won't care enough about it not to buy.

Paradox talks the GOG talk, but walks the Activision walk- well, minus Acti actually being on GOG, of course. I'd take Bob Kotick over Fred Wester any day, Bobby at least isn't a gigantic hypocrite and is considerably more honest.

You do know that Gamersgate and Paradox are owned by the same company right?
That's why they put DRM free versions on GG exclusively and give them better deals usually, they just want to plug their own store. They're not on GOG, simply because that'd amount to supporting their sister company's competition. And unless GG goes down, Paradox games will never be on GOG.

Hell, for a long time they avoided being on Steam for the same reason, but given how popular Steam, they eventually decided that was just hurting themselves.

Couldn't have said it better myself. It's the main reason I no longer shop at GamersGate as they are technically Paradox and so almost everything they release on there now has Steam-only requirements and, if ti doesn't, their downloader takes care of the rest of the DRM (and yes, you can 'unhook' it but what a bloody hassle that is).

It's a shame as they started off the right way, got greedy and decided it was easier to pony up to Steam than to stick to their morals. Needless to say, my guess is GG will eventually close, leaving Steam as the only distributor for Paradox games. And once Steam has the power, they control how much money the developer gets, so Paradox will .continue to lose

The sheer stupidity of GG and Paradox is mind boggling. But......it definitely makes you appreciate GOG even more :)

You do know that since 2008 Gamersgate is a separate, independent company? There is no relationship of dependency between them since 2008.

Please do a fucking research before you start posting, because pretty much everything you say in this topic is WRONG.

They may be a separate company, but since they're private companies and don't have to reveal their ownership structure publicly, we have no idea whether they're independent or not.
The way I heard it, when GG became its own company in 2008, Paradox created a company that owns both Paradox and GG, so that the store could remain outwardly independent to pacify other publishers, and yet still share profits with Paradox.
I have no proof of course, since they're not publicly-owned companies and don't have to make their ownership structures public, but it seems logical.


Either way, you should learn reading comprehension, because I referred to Gamersgate as Paradox's "sister company" not the same one.
It's quite obvious that Paradox still favors Gamersgate compared to other digital retailers, Gamersgate's CEO is Paradox's old one, and it stands to reason that after spending money on creating a digital store (that AFAIK is profitable) Paradox wouldn't just cut them loose and let them be completely independent.


If you truly believe that Paradox and Gamersgate have nothing to do with each other, when all evidence points to the contrary, you're either stupid or naive, and if you don't, then you're deliberately misunderstanding me to get on my nerves. Either way, I think this discussion is over.

You got to be fucking kidding me...

Business law in every EU country requires transparency. Every company created has to be registered. Registries are publicly avaible. Registries provide information about ownership of a company among many other things. Transparency in business is important because of taxation law but also because of business practices - every business entity and a customer have right to exactly know who they are making business with.

Unfortunately, Swedish Bolagsverket provides only information after payment, not online for free unlike Polish registry.

If you meant Paradox Entertainment, they don't own neither Paradox Interactive nor Gamersgate.

It's not that strange for paradox. When they dropped their relations with AGEOD, they released all the IP created under Paradox Int. to AGEOD so they can legally sell Pride of Nations as their own game. It doesn't happen often in video game industry, to just let go off an IP.

Of course Paradox Int. and Gamersgate maintain friendly business relations, but that doesn't mean they are sister companies, parent-child companies or whatever you implied. Gamersgate has indepentent capital so is completely independent from Paradox Int.

I think I need to stop wasting my time for you, because you lack knowledge about pretty much everything you're talking about. Kinda amusing.

As keeveek pointed out prior they aren't and haven't been for a long time. In fact, Johan himself confirmed that there was not even any, er, shared shares, and that he had sold his stake in GG some time ago on pdox's own forum. Er, no, CK2 (after forum shitstorm) and KA2 (iirc) aside. If you bought HOI3/ Vic2/ EU3/ Rome/CiM etc etc etc from anywhere not steam you got the same 'drm free' version, only way to get the steam version was to buy on steam itself- and even then it was the same as the others. Not true for things like Magicka/ SOTS2 etc which were uniform steamworks, but then in those cases everyone including GG got steam versions. I got Vic2 and CiM from Impulse, and they're exactly the same as those from GG down to including having the ability to install GG expansions over them. I have no idea why they aren't on GOG as they would/ should have been a good fit, but it most definitively isn't for that reason. It stopped being true half a decade ago.