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StingingVelvet: Their knowledge of game history is just fine, it's just from a console perspective. If you grew up a console gamer, which most did (...)
This guy claims to have been studying game design. Taking my university as a point of reference - this can be either of two majors: "game studies" (something akin to film studies), focused on history, structure and design OR "game programming" - the much more technical/practical variant. Back here people from both are expected to whip something up - students of the former are simply likely to use simpler tools - probably like RPG Maker, though I've heard suggestions of using the Unreal 3 engine if people can handle it.
If this guy isn't studying (remember - he's not a (recent) graduate - he's still learning !) game programming, THE LEAST we can expect is extensive knowledge of gaming history.
Besides - look at that list of features. Just look at it. Doesn't it look more like cutting corners than offering goodies ?
I don't expect a 64bit version but making 32-bit software is an achievement akin to speaking prose. The game is "fully voiced" except that "fully" only applies to cutscenes (I don't care how much text they want to have - with this sort of money they could easily find an eager college student with a pleasant voice to read some lines into the mic). "Completely original soundtrack" merely means that the game is going to have music and it's not going to be taken from outside sources.

It reminds me of this...
Post edited April 19, 2012 by Vestin
I'm not defending the kickstarter or refuting anything else in that picture that rips it apart. I am solely focused on saying that for console gamers the JRPG is the origins of RPG games and they have been completely taken out of the equation by Western RPGs, starting with Morrowind.

Funny fact about Morrowind, if you read the Xbox review the writer basically says "this is a PC RPG what the fuck is it doing on a console?" Little did he know it was about to change what console RPGs were.
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Emualynk: I know it is exagerating, yes, but still.
They are reusing tiles (and yet they say it's gonna take like one year to make), the story is bland and they fail to show any knowledge of game history.
Also it feels like they paid someone to make the artworks but this person won't be actually designing the characters that'll appear in the game.
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StingingVelvet: Their knowledge of game history is just fine, it's just from a console perspective. If you grew up a console gamer, which most did, an RPG was a JRPG for decades until the Xbox started bringing over Western RPGs, which then became more popular and took the place of the "original" RPGs, JRPGs.
I screwed up and need to start over... lol

The pic I saw criticizing the project made some valid points but in a way that is hard to take very seriously. That said, I can't imagine investing in such an amateur project being run by an inexperienced college student. I would think differently if this kid was obviously gifted with a brilliant concept for something exciting and original but that does not appear to be the case here.

It is one thing to invest in something like Wasteland 2 which stands to be developed by industry professionals and is based on the precursor to Fallout. It's quite another to fund an RPGMaker project by a college kid who has yet to develop anything and is not presenting a game idea that merits the support he's requested.
Post edited April 19, 2012 by dirtyharry50
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dirtyharry50: I'm starting to think I've misunderstood you and you meant someone with no perspective at all beyond console gaming in which case I think it is fair to say their understanding of gaming history is at least somewhat lacking.
Christ man, who gives a fuck? The point is he is coming from a certain background and appealing to people with similar interests and what he said is accurate for them.

I didn't see a certified professor of video game history stamp on the fucking thing.
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dirtyharry50: I'm starting to think I've misunderstood you and you meant someone with no perspective at all beyond console gaming in which case I think it is fair to say their understanding of gaming history is at least somewhat lacking.
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StingingVelvet: Christ man, who gives a fuck? The point is he is coming from a certain background and appealing to people with similar interests and what he said is accurate for them.

I didn't see a certified professor of video game history stamp on the fucking thing.
Relax please and ignore what I wrote there. I deleted it. I had three hours of sleep last night and am on cup numero 2 of coffee at the moment. I should have read more carefully before posting anything. Sorry to upset you.

Anyway, I corrected my post to add my view after doing some rereading. ;-)
Post edited April 19, 2012 by dirtyharry50
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Vestin: snip
Isn't that 32-bit referring to 32 bit graphics? :P (colors)
Post edited April 19, 2012 by keeveek
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dirtyharry50: Relax please and ignore what I wrote there. I deleted it. I had three hours of sleep last night and am on cup numero 2 of coffee at the moment. I should have read more carefully before posting anything. Sorry to upset you.

Anyway, I corrected my post to add my view after doing some rereading. ;-)
I wasn't mad at you, I just write like that.

There are a lot of reasons to avoid this kickstarter but I don't think seeing JRPGs as the root of that audience's RPG love is one of them.
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StingingVelvet: The point is he is coming from a certain background (...)
SV, please... (Or, in other words "Christ man, who gives a fuck?").
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StingingVelvet: There are a lot of reasons to avoid this kickstarter but I don't think seeing JRPGs as the root of that audience's RPG love is one of them.
JRPGs are the roots for Eastern RPGs, what's the problem with that?

First Final Fantasy game is as old as Ultima V, it's quite old, you know :P And some less known JRPG are even older.
Post edited April 19, 2012 by keeveek
Subpar shit. Do not want.
Man, I watch this for 5 hours and Teela didn't show up once!.
Well the game is fully funded and is not going to be made using RPG Maker, from the Kickstarter it says it'll be a custom engine using C++ or something or other.

I gladly funded the game with $30, looks like a cool project with an awesome art style.

And honestly, there's no reason to think this is a scam or they'll be misusing the money. For crying out loud, the guy showed his face in the Kickstarter video. If it turns out to be a scam or an absolute piece of crap, incomplete game, then his face is plastered on the internet for everyone to see and it will be very difficult for him to live it down and avoid it.

Yeah its his first game, so what. I like the fact he's being ambitious with his first game project rather than just settling for average.