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Neobr10: But i can't see the issue there. What's the problem with releasing a direct sequel every once in a while? I think this is the first time in the Zelda franchise that a direct sequel is released after Zelda 2 (and Zelda 2 was a completely diffent game).

And even then, from what i've seen in the trailers there is enough variety to the gameplay. The dungeons will have multiple levels with a real sense of height through the 3D effect in a way no other top-down Zelda game has done before.
Majora's Mask was a direct sequel... And it is also my favorite Zelda title of all. But besides that, the new LttP2 game looks ENTIRELY different from LttP, so I don't really give a damn what they call it. ;D I am a little wary of some of the features they're adding, but they seem like good ideas so far. I'm just not looking forward to the "quick progression" design they're going for.

Now then... Sorry for an off-topic post, but I thought MM needed some love.
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Magnitus: Standard APIs for many high-level languages are supported across Windows/Mac OS/Linux.

And the APIs that are OS-specific are a very small area of the code.

Games were mostly released for Windows, because Windows had an overwhelming market share (over 95%).

With Mac OS's share increasing, you see more and more games being released for Windows/Mac and also Linux.
I know about the massive market share Microsoft has in the OS market, that's not the point. We're talking about companies making it's own exclusivities. Now, have you ever seen a Microsoft game that runs natively on Mac or Linux? Do you realistically expect Microsoft to launch PC games on other OSes? Well, i don't. It may not look relevant now because Microsoft doesn't give a fuck about PC gaming anymore, but it's the same exclusivity that happens in the console market.

Fun fact: Halo was supposed to be a Mac game. Guess what happened to the Mac version when Microsoft bought Bungie?

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Magnitus: Companies sell generic computers (PCs, Macs) at a profit and people buy them.
That's not a fair comparison. PCs are overall much more expensive than consoles and they're targeted at completely different markets.

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Magnitus: Consoles can't be sold at a profit, because what they offer is inferior: a machine that only does a subset of what other machines (PCs, Macs, even tablets) can do and whose main selling point are the exclusive games they acquired.
Consoles are meant to play games and they're not inferior to a PC in any way at this specific function. Don't mix things up. In fact, you'd spend much more buying a PC able to run modern games than a console. For those that want to play their games without the hassles that surround PC gaming a console is a far better choice.

According to leaked specs (some have been confirmed by Sony) the PS4 will have a 8 core AMD CPU, a HD7970M and 8GB DDR5 memory (!!!). Being realistic the PS4 will cost U$500 at worst. There is no way you can buy such a powerful hardware to play games at this price, and i'm not even taking into account the fact that consoles are far more efficient than PCs at running games, since they don't have Windows as a middleware.

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Magnitus: The core of what they are selling is still crap.
Crap like the hardware specs above?

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Magnitus: Exactly. People go "why would I buy that crap when I could buy an actual computer for a comparable price?".
You do realize that there are many people who want an easy "put the disc in and play" experience instead of buying a gaming PC? We are on a PC gaming forum, of course everyone here is experienced at running PC games. But we are not the majority.
Post edited May 20, 2013 by Neobr10
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Neobr10: But it really isn't stagnating. The gap between Super Mario Sunshine (which is still the best 3D Mario game in my opinion, but i seem to be the minority) and Mario Galaxy was also around 5 years. The only difference now is that they have filled the gap with some 2D Mario games. I can't see how the series is stagnating because of it.

Nintendo has announced in a Nintendo Direct that the new 3D Mario game and the new Mario Kart will be released later this year and more details will be available at E3. Unless the new game is Mario Galaxy 3, i will stand firm by my opinion that the series hasn't stagnated.
Mario Sunshine was awesome. I certainly with you on that one. The Gamecube era in general is highly underrated if you ask me. Wind Waker, Luigi's Mansion, Super Mario Sunshine, Pikmin. What's not to love?

That said, I was unaware that there was a new 3D Mario coming out. If that's true and it does turn out to be as good as its prequels, then I suppose much to my delight, I'd stand corrected.
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Neobr10: But i can't see the issue there. What's the problem with releasing a direct sequel every once in a while? I think this is the first time in the Zelda franchise that a direct sequel is released after Zelda 2 (and Zelda 2 was a completely diffent game).

And even then, from what i've seen in the trailers there is enough variety to the gameplay. The dungeons will have multiple levels with a real sense of height through the 3D effect in a way no other top-down Zelda game has done before.
Direct sequels are fine and dandy. Majora's Mask was a direct sequel to Ocarina of Time. Spirit Tracks was a sequel to Phantom Hourglass, which was a sequel to Wind Waker. All of those game (except Phantom Hourglass) were fantastic. It's just they only decide to release a sequel to a SNES-era game now is a tad suspicious. As I said, it's probably not a nostalgia cash-in and the game should be as good as any other Zelda. Just that I'm less trusting of Nintendo than I used to be.
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Hesusio: It's just they only decide to release a sequel to a SNES-era game now is a tad suspicious. As I said, it's probably not a nostalgia cash-in and the game should be as good as any other Zelda. Just that I'm less trusting of Nintendo than I used to be.
I don't think it's as suspicious as you think, LttP was the first one to have different height levels on the same dungeon floor. There's a reason they're doing the sequel on the 3DS. Still, you're right to be wary.
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Darvond: Yes, you can transfer, they're the same kit, just one has weaker speakers, a bigger screen and no excuse for having better resolution.
It... doesn't have a better resolution... I'm having trouble working out what you meant by that bit.
Post edited May 20, 2013 by SirPrimalform
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SirPrimalform: It... doesn't have a better resolution... I'm having trouble working out what you meant by that bit.
The 3DS XL screen while 'Bigger', does not actually upgrade the graphical resolution, leaving you with the same picture as the tiny 3DS screen, but with more visible pixels.
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SirPrimalform: It... doesn't have a better resolution... I'm having trouble working out what you meant by that bit.
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Darvond: The 3DS XL screen while 'Bigger', does not actually upgrade the graphical resolution, leaving you with the same picture as the tiny 3DS screen, but with more visible pixels.
Ah, I knew that, I was trying to work out what "no excuse for having better resolution" meant. :S

It looked like you were saying that it does have a better resolution but no excuse (?) for that.
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Darvond: The 3DS XL screen while 'Bigger', does not actually upgrade the graphical resolution, leaving you with the same picture as the tiny 3DS screen, but with more visible pixels.
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SirPrimalform: Ah, I knew that, I was trying to work out what "no excuse for having better resolution" meant. :S

It looked like you were saying that it does have a better resolution but no excuse (?) for that.
Ah, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Why do people have to use such emotive language when talking about an entertainment company?
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wizardtypething: Why do people have to use such emotive language when talking about an entertainment company?
Because the failures of this company confuse us?
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wizardtypething: Why do people have to use such emotive language when talking about an entertainment company?
Because a lot of people have a fond memory of that company. Nintendo is the roots that we enjoy consoles today.
If there wasnt nintendo the consoles wouldnt exist today. There wouldnt be even a playstation. And i think a company with this legacy and fond memories we carry inside we never want that to die.
like that.
No, I do not want Nintendo to die. I want them to release some of their console hits in pc format. I would pay $20-$50 for a Zelda collection on the pc.
Nope. What I want them to do is to create game consoles as opposed to do-it-all hardware, stop taking their games for granted (Mario and Zelda games are no longer the phenomenon they used to be) and start offering choices. When I have my digital library bound to my console rather than an account, I'm becoming very paranoid about my console's possible destruction.
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Grargar: Nope. What I want them to do is to create game consoles as opposed to do-it-all hardware,
This criticism doesn't make any sense. Of the three current console manufacturers, Nintendo are arguably the only one that still creates machines that are just games consoles. Both Sony and Microsoft attempt to have their console as some kind of all-in-one media solution.
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CymTyr: No, I do not want Nintendo to die. I want them to release some of their console hits in pc format. I would pay $20-$50 for a Zelda collection on the pc.
Hmm, would that just be 2D or 3D, or both?
Sure, why not?

I want to see Microsoft burn as well =D
Post edited June 02, 2013 by Dahmer666