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I'm more and more turned off from Diablo 3 by the minute.
When it was first announced (I almost broke my f5 key when they starting hinting.. oh the penguin), I called all my friends (and my father, lol), to tell them about it. It went downhill after the first screenshots.
I should just face the fact that Blizzard North has been disbanded and that a "true" Diablo successor is impossible, but I'm still in denial.
This thing they're posing as Diablo 3 is merely Warcraft the RPG. Sad but true.
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Hallvard: I should just face the fact that Blizzard North has been disbanded and that a "true" Diablo successor is impossible, but I'm still in denial.
This thing they're posing as Diablo 3 is merely Warcraft the RPG. Sad but true.

http://www.torchlightgame.com/media/
take a look at this, its basically the core to blizzard north team after flagship disbanded and reformed under Runicgames. Torchlight is a dungeoncrawler thats based on the concept of Diablo 1 and Fate... big crazy dungeon, all random, tons of gear, and its first a singleplayer game and second an mmo. EG: how diablo 2 is but unlimited players not just 5. Basically its a mix of D3, Fate, and Mythos.
Since Torchlights coming out by October, and its coming with a full editor i think I'll grab this. $20 for a fully supported game with a huge cult following? OH YEAH... Fate had an even smaller following and a basic expansion pack of mods was released tripling play time.
Gotta kill time till D3 somehow right?
Post edited August 31, 2009 by Starkrun
Tempted to try out the Fate demo, but I heard it installs WildTangent drivers or something which is a sort of spyware? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyway I really think the hack n slash genre has been stagnant for too long already - by hack n slash I exclude Hellgate since it's more like a hybrid of genres. I almost think the genre itself is regressing, since I'm having much more fun with Nethack / Dwarf Fort / Doom Roguelike than Diablo 2
The day someone makes a graphical Nethack, complete with all the little nuts and bolts like praying and washing your face, is the day I will shed tears of ultimate joy.
I had fun with Fate for a little while, but it got old before long. The dungeon literally has no end (well, I guess theoretically it would end if the dungeon level hits the upper bound of its data type), so it starts to feel pointless after a while. Plus, it's way too easy. By the time I stopped - maybe around the 23rd floor, I can't quite remember - I was killing most enemies with one hit, sometimes two, with a two-handed sword that I could swing three times per second. My useless pet usually died after one or two hits, as well, but the monsters couldn't touch me.
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lowyhong: Tempted to try out the Fate demo, but I heard it installs WildTangent drivers or something which is a sort of spyware? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyway I really think the hack n slash genre has been stagnant for too long already - by hack n slash I exclude Hellgate since it's more like a hybrid of genres. I almost think the genre itself is regressing, since I'm having much more fun with Nethack / Dwarf Fort / Doom Roguelike than Diablo 2
The day someone makes a graphical Nethack, complete with all the little nuts and bolts like praying and washing your face, is the day I will shed tears of ultimate joy.

Fate's not bad if you like the genre. Personally, I dislike Fate because it's repetitive (it reminds me more of Gauntlet or Fushigi no Dungeon than Diablo in that respect) and installs loads of spyware. It doesn't just install WildTangent, it was published by them. As far as I know it's impossible to install the game without it, so DRM types will want to avoid it.
I like roguelikes, esp in the D2 mold. Have you played the console titles? Justice League was really good, if you haven't played that. All the best roguelikes/Diablo-styled games lately (besides Titan Quest and Sacred) have, oddly enough, been released on consoles, mostly using the Snowblind engine (excluding the Hunter games and Baroque, which used a different one).
Good PC action/RPG games in the last year or two have admittedly been kind of sparse (Titan Quest and .....), and big budget failures have been more common (Space Siege, Hellgate) but there've been some interesting succeses like Divine Divinity and Heretic Kingdoms that really pushed the boundaries of the genre in the last few years too. On the plus side, even the awful games (SS, HG) tried new things - they just failed. These things happen in cycles. If D3 is popular, expect more of this genre.
Honestly, I think D3 looks pretty good. I'm cautiously optimistic. I can't think of a bad game Blizzard have put out.
Post edited August 31, 2009 by cioran
Wow I think I'm one of the few people on gog.com that's pretty stoked about the game. I think it looks really good and I'm looking forward to it.
I'm pretty content with Sacred 1 for now and probably for a good long while. The game world is less dry than D2 or Titan's quest, and scanning forums has led me to realize that you can add party members in single player simply by not finishing some quests that pair you with an NPC and ask you to take him here or there. Right now I've got two tanks and an archer helping my battlemage out, and it's a lot of fun.
I'll pick up D3 probably almost regardless of how good it is. I expect the first few months of reviews to be little more than unabashed fanboi-ism mixed with non-stop promotion from sites and magazines who get paid large sums of money for advertising every year by Blizzard, so most reviews should be as close to worthless as imaginable. But in for a penny, in for a pound. I bought the first two, and curiosity will get the better of me and make me play the third too, if only so I can see what everybody else is talking about. Whether I'll play it all the way through is another story. I didn't play D2 all the way through until many years after its release, though I think I bought it on the first day it came out.
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lowyhong: Tempted to try out the Fate demo, but I heard it installs WildTangent drivers or something which is a sort of spyware? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyway I really think the hack n slash genre has been stagnant for too long already - by hack n slash I exclude Hellgate since it's more like a hybrid of genres. I almost think the genre itself is regressing, since I'm having much more fun with Nethack / Dwarf Fort / Doom Roguelike than Diablo 2
The day someone makes a graphical Nethack, complete with all the little nuts and bolts like praying and washing your face, is the day I will shed tears of ultimate joy.

Vulture's Eye or Vulture's Claw fit that bill quite well, lowy.
Download them here.
[url=http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/File:Vultures_eye.png]Screenshot[/url]
Post edited August 31, 2009 by JudasIscariot
Thanks for the suggestions. I've tried Falcon's Eye before. Actually what I was looking out for was something with all the graphical shazznazz, with great animations, but keeping to the complex gameplay of Nethack. Falcon's Eye is a pretty cool isometric tileset, and I think it's a good effort, but not quite what I'm looking for.
Imagine Nethack with all the neat features in Diablo 3, like the Barbarian's wall smashing ability, and built on to a neat engine, like the Doom 3 engine. I'd buy that.
Incidentally, this discussion has made me want to play Dungeon Doom again.
http://dungeondoom.planetdoom.gamespy.com/ ?