Well, if unpacking a source archive and typing three shell commands to get things done is too much for you, then Linux isn't really for you.

Out of curiosity, which three shell commands would keep the package from crashing in his case?

kalirion,

there is no "package that could crash". We're talking about building the program. The only reason it wouldn't work is because Gooberking had failed to install the proper tools on his Linux system. don't think that this thread is the right place for such a technical discussion though.

It has been explained how to get help in case of problems, and both of you could ask in the D2X-XL forum for assistance. If you don't want that, it's ok and nobody has something against you using Rebirth. But in that case don't post like D2X-XL wouldn't work or couldn't be installed when it can for hundreds of other users and you just cannot be bothered to seek help to overcome your specific technical or hardware related inabilities.

D2X-XL has been more work than you could imagine in your dreams, and you can have it all for free. Not complaining when having to invest a bit of work oneself in order to install and run it should therefore be a matter of course.

listen jerk. I've been using linux for 10 years long before it was anywhere near as nice as it was now. I get along just fine with linux. Even if I didn't know anything about it, it is perfectly usable for basic needs out of the box at this point and I could be having a perfectly fine time using it for Internet and office work. Being a hax0r teh 1337 ubber nerd is no longer a requirement. That elitist members only attitude is tired. Linux has, is, and will serve me just fine.


and wait just a second. Your logo, go to forum references, D2X-XL master status, and from Germany. Your from D2X-XL aren't you?

So when no good arguments are left resorting to insults is your means of choice? Who do you think does that make a jerk?

So you think understanding enough of Linux to unpack an archive (which is GUI driven these days), open a shell window and copy three commands from an installation guide is elitist hacker stuff?

That's a rather pathetic fig leaf for incompetence.

I'm fine with your using Rebirth (which you failed to install natively as well) via Wine - but don't complain about the D2X-XL installation procedure - the main skill required for following is the ability to read - then. Please don't start yelling at me now that reading is for elitist hackers only, and please vent your aggressions somewhere else. You were the one who didn't keep it nicely - you have no grounds to complain about the tone anymore.

Edit:

Yes, I am the D2X-XL maintainer, and it took you only a day to figure that.

I'm fine with the project as a whole. Fantastic workmanship. All for it. I want to support such things But you descended into insults and started in on me. Now you act like I started it and was being aggressive. Thats rich. I had no contact of any kind with you but was merely stating my experience at which point you very high mindedly called me too stupid to be using something I have somehow been using. You even added attitional insults before I responded when talking to another user. Sorry but in my book that's rude behavior.

If you are who I suspect you are I inadvertently insulted your baby. Sorry. I am sure you are far more intelligent than I am and understand these things far better. That being said You go your way I will go mine.

I did not insult you with a single word, and I specifically did not call you stupid. If you feel stupid when being told Linux isn't for you (and looking how adept, or rather not adept with it you are, t isn't) then that is your problem. Could it be that you just cannot stand the truth and say "Yes ok, apart from the most basic use cases Linux is too complicated for me"? Every one of your posts have made it clear that this is exactly the case; and btw. you are excluding yourself from many of the uses of Linux by that. Heck, you even use Wine on Linux to run a windows version of a program on Linux a native Linux version exists of. You are exactly the kind of computer user Windows or OS X would cater perfectly to with their streamlined user interfaces and simple software installation procedures. All that makes me wonder why you cling to Linux so much.

And no, you haven't insulted "my baby". All you did was to post incompetent nonsense, imvho, and I wonder whether you ever tried to get help with it, giving which I would have no problem.

Now you say you are using Linux for 10 years, from the times when it really was an OS for experts. And you still cannot do what I just described, not even with the help of an extensive online guide (and I tried hard to write a good and complete one for Linux)? C'mon!

How do you think did I learn Linux? Do you think it was easy? It was a pain in the neck. I didn't understand much of it at all in the beginning. But I didn't leave it at that, fearfully avoiding being frustrated more. I kept asking and investigating, trying and failing, and that way I have learned about Linux what I have learned so far - and that actually isn't that much, I am far from being an expert there. I am however far enough though to say that with just a little bit of ambition and perseverance you can learn how to create a few folders, extract a few archive files to it, install a few utilities and execute a few shell commands to install a program like D2X-XL, where you don't get a convenient rpm, deb or other package for; and I am also far enough to say that doing that doesn't require any intimate knowledge or leet haxx0r experience of Linux.

Please just stop this now, because all this doesn't make you look smart at all - and that is entirely not my fault.

If you really want to install D2X-XL on your machine, register on the D2X-XL forum and ask for help with the Linux install there.

I think part of what bugged me was I didn't get you were actually involved with the "mod". I saw a new user (not date new just new by rep and never seen before) and thought they just signed up to say things like Read the fucking Manual and take other cheap shots, when you were probably trying to be more informative and helpful. That is my mistake and I'll have to own that after going back up the thread a bit. That being said I think you are probably being more inflammatory than you are giving yourself credit for but that's just my interpretation.

I do appreciate what you have done with the for game Decent and the gaming community in preserving and extending a true classic. I want to support that mission and not cheapen it with silly conflict. We have both expressed a desire to move on so let us do that.

Your last post is much more reconciling than the previous ones, which probably gave me a wrong impression of you, too.

Most of all I am into hard facts, which may make me seem rude although I don't intend to be. I also had my lesson about being touchy when being told unconvient truths long ago, and I have learned that it didn't get me any further - looking at the facts however did.

As far as my rep goes: I hardly ever post here.

I wish you had accepted help. Playing those new D2X-XL missions is a lot of fun.

Good luck.

I can say that, when using archlinux, installing this and running (from source, yes) is very simple. And I'm glad to see this getting some discussion on the forums/frontpage.

And, yeah, ok, the multiplayer mod bit means I'll pick up the Descent 3 bit too (:

I'm glad you posted this as it gives users a choice. This isn't an advertising thread but a spotlight so it should be mentioned along with its alternatives. It shouldn't matter about mentioning other projects because neither are commercial so the more projects a user can choose from the better imo.

GOG version with D2X-XL on ArchLinux? Spiffy, I'd been trying to do that a couple months ago but I kept getting seg faults so I gave up. I'll try again.

In the mean time if you have a working method - I think a better AUR package would be nice. ;)

edit: clarify that I'm talking about D2X-XL

I think he was talking about D2X-XL (using the Descent game data from GoG).

I suppose I wasn't clear. I was using D2X-XL to run the GOG version of Decent 2 on Arch Linux. I was getting a segmentation fault on launch - which was quite likely my fault. I was using the latest SVN trunk at the time which I believe corresponded with one of the tags (maybe 1.15.215).

Knowing that other people have gotten it working with the game files I was using on the distribution I'm using is motivating to try again - maybe with debug information turned on and valgrind running if I get seg faults again.

D2X-XL shouldn't seg fault on launch. You could register in the D2X-XL forum and ask for help there. Or even better: Post a bug report in the D2X-XL project's bug tracker on Sourceforget.net and post a crash log there (and also a d2x.log - produce by calling D2X-XL with the -printlog parameter).

You can also build D2X-XL using Eclipse and debug it via Eclipse's gdb GUI, which is pretty convenient.