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koima57: ridiculous prices of 3€ to more for each..
Not ridiculous enough.
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koima57: ridiculous prices of 3€ to more for each..
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Maighstir: Not ridiculous enough.
Oh but these are sold one time as physical copies, for collection purpose.

Served as digital downloads for 3€ more profits, with not even 1 MO of ROM server space used, is very, very uncool to say the least, but that was to expect from a business shark like Nintendo, I guess..
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koima57: Hmm not nostalgic, I grew up with an Amstrad CPC 6128 but still.. Seen some of them C64 in the Nintendo Wii store not too long ago, going at ridiculous prices of 3€ to more for each.. WTF!

Expecting those on GOG for 5.99$ which would equal ripping off too, is the same kind of bad joke, IMHO.

Truth is, some things are better left where they are, in the past.. This is archeo-gaming and not welcome at GOG, thank you very much.
http://www.gog.com/game/the_zork_anthology

http://www.gog.com/game/ultima_1_2_3

http://www.gog.com/game/kings_quest_1_2_3

http://www.gog.com/game/space_quest_1_2_3

Commodore 64 games were often better-looking and definitely better-sounding than these (well, text is text in the case of Zork), and perhaps GOG could sell less marketable games in small bundles like these, too.
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koima57: Hmm not nostalgic, I grew up with an Amstrad CPC 6128 but still.. Seen some of them C64 in the Nintendo Wii store not too long ago, going at ridiculous prices of 3€ to more for each.. WTF!

Expecting those on GOG for 5.99$ which would equal ripping off too, is the same kind of bad joke, IMHO.

Truth is, some things are better left where they are, in the past.. This is archeo-gaming and not welcome at GOG, thank you very much.
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andysheets1975: http://www.gog.com/game/the_zork_anthology

http://www.gog.com/game/ultima_1_2_3

http://www.gog.com/game/kings_quest_1_2_3

http://www.gog.com/game/space_quest_1_2_3

Commodore 64 games were often better-looking and definitely better-sounding than these (well, text is text in the case of Zork), and perhaps GOG could sell less marketable games in small bundles like these, too.
Bundles may definitely be a selling point if these are getting marketed again. not a piece for more than 1$ for sure, that was the reason of my upsetting with big N, though they had the decency to remove them C64 from their overpriced Virtual console store since..
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koima57: Expecting those on GOG for 5.99$ which would equal ripping off too, is the same kind of bad joke, IMHO.

Truth is, some things are better left where they are, in the past.. This is archeo-gaming and not welcome at GOG, thank you very much.
I understand your point of view. Still, not everyone feels like you. There is already some archeo-gaming on GOG ( the early ultima and world of ultima games, zork,...) and there could be a market for more, provided the price is correct. Ultimately, everyone will have his/her views on what is "welcome" on GOG. As far as I am concerned, I'd be much more tempted to buy the archaïc amiga versions of Star Command or Carrier Command ( that were graphically superior to their DOS counterparts ) than yet another paltformer
Jumpman despite it's aged graphics would still be fun to play. I agree that perhaps $6 for a C64 game is not something most people would pay for it, bu if they were bundled I am sure some here would purchase them.
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koima57: Expecting those on GOG for 5.99$ which would equal ripping off too, is the same kind of bad joke, IMHO.

Truth is, some things are better left where they are, in the past.. This is archeo-gaming and not welcome at GOG, thank you very much.
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Phc7006: I understand your point of view. Still, not everyone feels like you. There is already some archeo-gaming on GOG ( the early ultima and world of ultima games, zork,...) and there could be a market for more, provided the price is correct. Ultimately, everyone will have his/her views on what is "welcome" on GOG. As far as I am concerned, I'd be much more tempted to buy the archaïc amiga versions of Star Command or Carrier Command ( that were graphically superior to their DOS counterparts ) than yet another paltformer
True, true, I apologize my heated message was loaded because of Big N's Virtual Console money fever, and focused on the idea of GOG selling one game at a time for such prices,

I should have expressed myself clearer on my first post, not my last.

I could see a C64 collection selling actually, with a good dozen of classics.. Boulder Dash, Defender of the Crown..Rick Dangerous..

But definitely not sold one at a time. Then again one could say, not my money anyway, why should I care? Because I know the value of money and feel sorry for it being wasted, a C64 game of 30 years old with not even 1 MO of data should not be offered for more than 1$ to this day. Thanks, I stand my ground, in a more polite manner. :)
Post edited December 06, 2013 by koima57
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Danest: So, as if Gog isn't good enough (it is) I still wonder if someday they'll offer Commodore 64 and Amiga games. Back in the day, I had those computers... it wouldn't be till well after that era that I'd finally have a PC... I skipped DOS altogether.
So, yeah, that's where my nostalgia really lies, and indeed some commodore games were not identical to their PC versions. Yeah, I know, there are "other ways" but if we cared about that we wouldn't be at Gog. It'd be nice to play legal copies of many of them again, in the exact form (sound, graphics, etc) that I remember. Admittedly, they often lacked mouse support and some games had control schemes as a result that were... bad? But I still miss the days.
Anyone else willing to pay for Commodore nostalgia? ;)
I would most definitely buy C64 and Amiga nostalgia if done the GOG way. :)
Yeah there is also where my biggest gaming nostalgia is.
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Danest: So, as if Gog isn't good enough (it is) I still wonder if someday they'll offer Commodore 64 and Amiga games. Back in the day, I had those computers... it wouldn't be till well after that era that I'd finally have a PC... I skipped DOS altogether.
So, yeah, that's where my nostalgia really lies, and indeed some commodore games were not identical to their PC versions. Yeah, I know, there are "other ways" but if we cared about that we wouldn't be at Gog. It'd be nice to play legal copies of many of them again, in the exact form (sound, graphics, etc) that I remember. Admittedly, they often lacked mouse support and some games had control schemes as a result that were... bad? But I still miss the days.
Anyone else willing to pay for Commodore nostalgia? ;)
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Tarm: I would most definitely buy C64 and Amiga nostalgia if done the GOG way. :)
Yeah there is also where my biggest gaming nostalgia is.
Nostalgia counts for so much for some of these good old games, and I had my start on the c64, so, yeah, huge nostalgia, even if they don't stand the test of time in many cases. Well, I had my start on a timex, but nostalgia can only go so far. :p
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Danest: Anyone else willing to pay for Commodore nostalgia? ;)
Only if GOG.com also offers Competition Pro Sticks because playing Amiga Actiongames with a gamepad would be heresy!
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Danest: Anyone else willing to pay for Commodore nostalgia? ;)
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viperfdl: Only if GOG.com also offers Competition Pro Sticks because playing Amiga Actiongames with a gamepad would be heresy!
I never liked that one. It broke too easily. TAC-2 all the way!
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koima57: But definitely not sold one at a time. Then again one could say, not my money anyway, why should I care? Because I know the value of money and feel sorry for it being wasted, a C64 game of 30 years old with not even 1 MO of data should not be offered for more than 1$ to this day.
I think the age of the game and the amount of data (?!?) are totally irrelevant to the gaming experience.

You can have gigabyteload of shit released just last week that offers absolutely no such rewarding experience as older games.

In fact, older game design is probably better just because of these limitations. As there was no 3D, no embedded video, no voice-overs, no cinematic score, no particle effects, no lense flare, and no nothing in comparison to games of today, immersion and playability were the main focus of the game. There are many game series that have gone from the top straight to hell when they have been trying to stay with the cutting-edge technology, forgetting what the gaming experience really is all about.


As for me, the value of experience not relates to age or technology used. I can pay for albums recorded in the 70s with analogue technology, I can pay for black-and-white movies and I can also pay for 8-bit games, if they offer me the kind experience that I'm looking for.
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koima57: But definitely not sold one at a time. Then again one could say, not my money anyway, why should I care? Because I know the value of money and feel sorry for it being wasted, a C64 game of 30 years old with not even 1 MO of data should not be offered for more than 1$ to this day.
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PixelBoy: I think the age of the game and the amount of data (?!?) are totally irrelevant to the gaming experience.

You can have gigabyteload of shit released just last week that offers absolutely no such rewarding experience as older games.

In fact, older game design is probably better just because of these limitations. As there was no 3D, no embedded video, no voice-overs, no cinematic score, no particle effects, no lense flare, and no nothing in comparison to games of today, immersion and playability were the main focus of the game. There are many game series that have gone from the top straight to hell when they have been trying to stay with the cutting-edge technology, forgetting what the gaming experience really is all about.

As for me, the value of experience not relates to age or technology used. I can pay for albums recorded in the 70s with analogue technology, I can pay for black-and-white movies and I can also pay for 8-bit games, if they offer me the kind experience that I'm looking for.
Hi, I have to disagree because the nostalgia factor is at play here, there are cult classic that doesn't suffer the cruel tides of time, like 2D Super Mario, or 2D Sonic because of their clever structure and the overall quality (graphics, sounds) already more advanced than blocky pixels of early C64 and Intellevision creations.. Beside PONG and PACMAN I know no games of this era that made it to the Hall of Fame..

The amount of data was limited before, but today it is an indicator of the ratio quality / content there is, even if it sound unfair, it is a fact.

I can think of a child playing C64 goodies as first gaming experience and enjoying them thoroughly, but I can't think of this same child knowing modern gaming and still enjoying C64 games.

Because what is known is setting a new reference in our memories, it's like you drink everyday good fruit juices and then, plain water... Yes, water is more healthy, no additive, etc.. But you will miss the orange juice and hardly remove it from your memory as you drink your water, unless having nothing else and it saving your life, but that's irrelevent for old games,.. But well, you get the idea!

Even approaching C64 offerings with an adult, fresh, open mind I don't think there is THAT many cult classic and genuine fun to dig there, but that's just me, time is too short for this kind of backward experience unless very curious or just nostalgic.
Post edited December 07, 2013 by koima57
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koima57: Hi, I have to disagree because the nostalgia factor is at play here, there are cult classic that doesn't suffer the cruel tides of time, like 2D Super Mario, or 2D Sonic because of their clever structure and the overall quality (graphics, sounds) already more advanced than blocky pixels of early C64 and Intellevision creations.. Beside PONG and PACMAN I know no games of this era that made it to the Hall of Fame..
Halls of Fame and top lists really mean nothing.
They are an interesting topic for conversation, but in the end of the day, they are only some people's perceptions of things. Just like you can have great movies which never get nominated for awards and crappy movies receiving loads of awards.

But if you want an example, think about California Games. Has there been a sports game before or since, which would have such a fresh take on the entire concept of sports? That game would still be as addicitive as it ever was, as it never relied on graphics or gimmicks, instead, it relied on a fresh way of thinking and immersive playability.
And so on.


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koima57: The amount of data was limited before, but today it is an indicator of the ratio quality / content there is, even if it sound unfair, it is a fact.
So basically this way of thinking means that a game which uses uncompressed sound and image files, instead of, let's say lossless compression, is better, because it has more data?

I don't think I have heard anyone saying that games like Machinarium or Time, Gentlemen, Please! are worse games than, let's say, Jack Keane 2 (a GOG cult classic), even though you could fit both games like 20 times to the storage space that Jack Keane 2 requires.


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koima57: I can think of a child playing C64 goodies as first gaming experience and enjoying them thoroughly, but I can't think of this same child knowing modern gaming and still enjoying C64 games.
Yeah, and that very same child would fall asleep during the first 15 minutes of 2001: A Space Odyssey, so it must be a crappy movie?


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koima57: Because what is known is setting a new reference in our memories, it's like you drink everyday good fruit juices and then, plain water... Yes, water is more healthy, no additive, etc.. But you will miss the orange juice and hardly remove it from your memory as you drink your water, unless having nothing else and it saving your life, but that's irrelevent for old games,.. But well, you get the idea!
You can have juices made from concentrates, where you have the balance of the mix completely wrong. You can have juice which has been lying in room temperature (or worse, in the direct sunlight) for hours. In both cases the juice is so disgusting, you can hardly drink it.
And then again, you can have a glass of cold, clean water. Which do you prefer?

Not to mention that juice is a rather bad drink to extinguish thirst. Have you ever run a marathon? You never drink juices during marathons. The most important liquid will be water, with special sports drinks every now and then. But never, ever, juice, no matter how much you appreciate its taste.


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koima57: Even approaching C64 offerings with an adult, fresh, open mind I don't think there is THAT many cult classic and genuine fun to dig there, but that's just me, time is too short for this kind of backward experience unless very curious or just nostalgic.
Well, to each his own, I guess.
I prefer older stuff mostly when it comes to entertainment. I have no problem watching movies which were made before I was even born. A while ago I read through Arthur Conan Doyle's Holmes stories and they kept me totally entertained. And that stuff is like from 18xx something.

Although, on occasion, I do play latest games.
I installed and started playing both Botanicula and Broken Sword 5 just few hours from their release. But I don't think these are better games than older games, just because they are new.
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andysheets1975: http://www.gog.com/game/the_zork_anthology

http://www.gog.com/game/ultima_1_2_3

http://www.gog.com/game/kings_quest_1_2_3

http://www.gog.com/game/space_quest_1_2_3

Commodore 64 games were often better-looking and definitely better-sounding than these (well, text is text in the case of Zork), and perhaps GOG could sell less marketable games in small bundles like these, too.
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koima57: Bundles may definitely be a selling point if these are getting marketed again. not a piece for more than 1$ for sure, that was the reason of my upsetting with big N, though they had the decency to remove them C64 from their overpriced Virtual console store since..
I think if C64, Amiga, Amstrad etc. games ever come to GOG, then they shoudl sell them in big bundles, otherwise they would be a tough cookie to sell. Perhaps a developer bundle or something like that, where you would get a stack load of game with a low price point. Or perhaps even "build you own"-bundle.