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Posted August 29, 2009
I wonder if it would be illegal if I made a "Nazi's Pizza" parlour.
Posted August 29, 2009
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cioran: @Blarg
"Germany does not deny their role in WW2. They are very upfront about it and have had very close ties with Israel since its founding. "
*spits out coffee* Now Germans are the great protectors of Israel from its inception? That's blatant revisionism. Who taught you history? The two countries didn't even talk until the 50s, and they weren't on friendly terms until the 60's. They're trading partners now and on rather good diplomatic terms, but that's not the same as being involved from the founding of Israel.
Also, Germans are not "very upfront" about it except in broad strokes. There's a generation of people who do not talk about it. It's impolite to even bring it up. They censor Nazi primary sources. While their intentions on this front are good, the results are fairly horrifying.
There are things that happened and things that didn't even if our interpretations change (the historiographer's dilemma is how much this impacts our recounting). Spouting relativistic nonsense doesn't change that. The holocaust was, bar none, one of the worst events in recorded human history. It was genocide without any sensible motive other than stupidity (not that I'm defending Stalin who killed more people, but killing huge swaths of his country did result in the most rapid economic development in the history of the world). Leopold II is the only other figure in modern history that's even in the same genocidal ballpark. Right, and you probably haven't even heard of him. It's interesting and important to read how normal people got swept up in this.
Destroying how these things happened is bad. I don't think you understand the scope of what's been going on with the destruction of Nazi-era primary sources, especially in Europe (where these sources ARE restricted). When you study the history of heresy in the Early Church, you start to get a picture of how this impacts the future. You're literally unable to reconstruct ideology except secondhand.

You're getting overexcited. Nobody is denying the holocaust or finding it impossible to understand; let's ease up on the gas pedal.
Israel was far from the easiest country to get along with at its founding and it has been a tricky matter ever since. Germany has been in its corner for near half a century at least.
Germany doesn't even let nazi parties form and nazi materials get published not because they are trying to obscure history and cover it up. (In fact they have memorials to nazi oppression, not nazi innocence or wonderfulness. ) They do it because they along with the whole world was afraid the Germans might come back for round three if they didn't nip any embryonic signs of future fascism in the bud.
People don't not talk about things just because they are trying to cover them up. That is very simplistic.
Post edited August 29, 2009 by Blarg
Posted August 29, 2009
True but its psychologically healthy to get things out in the open and move on. Not talking about things may not be intended to cover things up but it doesn't help the situation, just makes it quiet
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cioran: The holocaust was, bar none, one of the worst events in recorded human history.

Hmm holocaust vs paris hilton album... tough call to pick number 1
Posted August 29, 2009
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Weclock: I wonder if it would be illegal if I made a "Nazi's Pizza" parlour.

Genocide Supreme?
Posted August 29, 2009
no olives, mushrooms or anchovies on mine please
Posted August 30, 2009
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Aliasalpha: no olives, mushrooms or anchovies on mine please
You can't make a german pizza, you'd have nothing on it.
Posted August 30, 2009
What about beer? And Lederhosen?
Posted August 30, 2009
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Aliasalpha: What about beer? And Lederhosen?
beer goes well with pizza, but not as a topping, and lederhosen is an embarasment worse than Hitler.
Posted August 30, 2009
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Weclock: worse than Hitler.

GODWIN! GODWIN!
Posted August 30, 2009
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Weclock: worse than Hitler.
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Aliasalpha: GODWIN! GODWIN!
I could make a pizza, call it the godwin pizza, it'd be covered in cheese, just like your post.
Posted August 30, 2009
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Aliasalpha: GODWIN! GODWIN!
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Weclock: I could make a pizza, call it the godwin pizza, it'd be covered in cheese, just like your post.

It'd need a steak strip or a line of ground beef to make a little hitler moustache
Posted August 30, 2009
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Weclock: I could make a pizza, call it the godwin pizza, it'd be covered in cheese, just like your post.
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Aliasalpha: It'd need a steak strip or a line of ground beef to make a little hitler moustache
I'm fairly certain hitler's face is smaller than a pizza.
Posted August 30, 2009
Well its not to SCALE, that'd make a fairly small pizza.
Hmm, we've sure dragged this thread off topic
Posted August 30, 2009
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Aliasalpha: Well its not to SCALE, that'd make a fairly small pizza.
Hmm, we've sure dragged this thread off topic
well you said it'd be a small moustache, I mean, if it's a pizza, the moustache would be much larger.
Posted August 30, 2009
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Aliasalpha: Well its not to SCALE, that'd make a fairly small pizza.
Hmm, we've sure dragged this thread off topic
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Weclock: well you said it'd be a small moustache, I mean, if it's a pizza, the moustache would be much larger.

No, the pizza's shaped like the Rhineland.
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