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PixelBoy: But the problem still seems to be the same as with DRM-free games: what is available is mostly either old stuff or indies.
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IAmSinistar: That's true, generally speaking. Most major publishers are shy of DRM-free. We need a DRM-free revolution in ebooks similar to what happened with MP3 music.
The e-book situation is horrible. If there is any product other than music that needs to be moved seamlessly across a myriad of devices it's e-books. I hear whispers of Adobe working on an always on-line drm for books, which sounds crazy. If there is one thing you should be able to do out in the sticks with no service it's read a freaking book. All the industry has managed to do is take what should have been the first really great advance in book reading since the printing press and find out how to consistently make it more complicated and more work than just picking up a paperback.

e-book drm honestly ticks me off way more than games. I get the paranoia over 60$ games with multi million dollar budgets. But a 6$ product that I need to shuffle around and you want me to create accounts and have limited device activations? No thank you. Actually, just no. I feel less inclined to buy books now than I did music when it was locked up. I'm not sure how many books I would buy if things were different, but I buy quite a lot of music now that it isn't locked up.
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Woolytoes: Erm.. No. The first bundles on IndieRoyale have been in USD. The regional currency has been introduced later. But I don't mind it on IndieRoyale as it is not an 1:1 exchange rate as on Gog or worse on Steam & Humble Store. They are pretty close to the actual exchange rate.
I remember being charged in GBP from the beginning but maybe I'm misremembering.
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Woolytoes: Erm.. No. The first bundles on IndieRoyale have been in USD. The regional currency has been introduced later. But I don't mind it on IndieRoyale as it is not an 1:1 exchange rate as on Gog or worse on Steam & Humble Store. They are pretty close to the actual exchange rate.
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SirPrimalform: I remember being charged in GBP from the beginning but maybe I'm misremembering.
Maybe it was different in UK. My first purchase orders show that I have paid in USD.
Speaking of, Groupees has another ShinyLoot bundle.

Min. $1:
Fortix 2
Will Fight for Food
The Gravedigger
Soulcaster 1 & 2

Min. $2:
Mark Leung - Revenge of the Bitch
Mosby's Confederacy
So Blonde
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SirPrimalform: I remember being charged in GBP from the beginning but maybe I'm misremembering.
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Woolytoes: Maybe it was different in UK. My first purchase orders show that I have paid in USD.
That's a good point though, I'll check out my emails when I get home.
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JaqFrost: Speaking of, Groupees has another ShinyLoot bundle.

Min. $1:
Fortix 2
Will Fight for Food
The Gravedigger
Soulcaster 1 & 2

Min. $2:
Mark Leung - Revenge of the Bitch
Mosby's Confederacy
So Blonde
Cool, I have a few of those but none in the upper tier. I'll view the ones I have as a bonus backup on Shinyloot.
Post edited March 04, 2014 by SirPrimalform
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rampancy: It's worth also pointing out DotEMU, which is currently now undergoing a massive 70% off sale for their 7th anniversary. I got Aliens vs. Predator Classic 2000 and two of their Sega Genesis bundles for almost nothing ($1.50 and $3.00, respectively). And yes, they work very well in WINE on my Mac. :)
HOW?!

Didn't you hear TET saying Aliens vs. Predator games are nearly IMPOSSIBLE to get?!

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/letter_from_the_md_about_regional_pricing/post3414
Post edited March 04, 2014 by keeveek
Well, I think that question is very easy:
What digital store can offer us various DRM-free older and newer games for total fair prices?

Nobody!
What digital store can offer us various DRM-free older and newer games for slightly fair prices?


GOG


My choice is clear: Buying good games DRM-free at good prices.
I´ve came here for nothing else---and I´ll stay here for nothing else!
This mean---I proberbly stay here as long as GOG exists---or as long as EA/Activision/Valve/TheUsGouverment/TheUKGouverment/TheChineseGouverment/TheRussianGouverment/TheGermanGouverm ent hasn´t bought up GOG and enforces DRM on GOG...
I'm sorry, but GoG as a store is dead to me. I still lurk in the forums occasionally, because there's a great community, and if I'm honest, because there's a little part of me that hopes this will all be resolved somehow.

I sent an angry mail when this was announced, and I stand by it. The whole $1=€1 thing annoys me beyond belief. Regional pricing is based on the idea that people in different regions have different amounts of money available to spend. That being the case, how can they possibly think that someone in Ireland (who had to be recently bailed out by the EU and whose grandchildren will be still paying it back) has more disposable income than someone in the UK? They are not pushing $1=£1, I notice. I will not (and cannot afford to) support this.

Edit: To answer the original question - I don't know. But even on Steam I never knowingly buy $1=€1 games.
Post edited March 04, 2014 by deadfolk
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rampancy: It's worth also pointing out DotEMU, which is currently now undergoing a massive 70% off sale for their 7th anniversary. I got Aliens vs. Predator Classic 2000 and two of their Sega Genesis bundles for almost nothing ($1.50 and $3.00, respectively). And yes, they work very well in WINE on my Mac. :)
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keeveek: HOW?!

Didn't you hear TET saying Aliens vs. Predator games are nearly IMPOSSIBLE to get?!

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/letter_from_the_md_about_regional_pricing/post3414
I have absolutely no clue. All I do know is that Aliens vs. Predator Classic 2000 has been on DotEmu for years now (reg. price $4.99 USD). From its Steam page, its publisher is Fox Interactive, but Fox Interactive as a company has been defunct since 1996, having been absorbed into Vivendi Universal.

It's possible that in the fallout of Fox Interactive going under, the rights to Aliens vs. Predator Classic 2000 reverted back to Rebellion (or Rebellion bought the rights to the game). It's hard to say with AvP 2, as Monolith is now owned by Warner Brothers.
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PixelBoy: Good advice, but where can one get books which are in a common, DRM-free format and sold by one price for the whole world?
Who needs one price for the world when there's still the option of second hand? Most of my books (hundreds and hundreds of them) come that way. Quite a number for as little as 10 pence at times [from a collector's book shop who sells off those from lots he buys that aren't necessarily collectors worthy, including hard backs.] - up to 3 pounds from other local bookshops. Good quality stuff. Poetry I by new, often - as well as some very specific current novels that I want. Am reading Christina Stead's House of All Nations [very relevant satiric novel, by the way, set in the 1930s banking world (Stead was a banker, for a while)] - in hardback, bought for 10 pence. Goes for £23.00 new, paperback, on amazon. Cheapest second hand hardback listed is £14.99, so - if I were thinking that way - I could still even make a profit on it.

Vote with your wallet and stay analogue [a choice that's - mostly - gone with games, by now!]. Ebooks are great technology, but as long as it's deployed so restrictive just stay away. Make them earn your money; there's more chance to still influence that then there's with turning the way the games industry goes around. You can lend printed books to others, re-sell them, donate them, gift them; they come with a tactile experience and they make for nice furnishing, too - so there's plenty of advantages to be had in the 'traditional' book market, still, not least that you have the option to support small independent and local business.
Post edited March 04, 2014 by Mnemon
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Mnemon: Read more books.
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PixelBoy: Good advice, but where can one get books which are in a common, DRM-free format and sold by one price for the whole world?

Project Gutenberg is nice, but after a while you might want to read something a bit more recent/fresh. And they don't even have all of Sherlock Holmes available, for legal reasons. I know, I tried.
Baen

That's...all I have right now, Tor/Forge was going to start up a DRM-free ebook store, but the page still says "coming in summer 2012".
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PixelBoy: Good advice, but where can one get books which are in a common, DRM-free format and sold by one price for the whole world?
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Mnemon: Who needs one price for the world when there's still the option of second hand? Most of my books (hundreds and hundreds of them) come that way. Quite a number for as little as 10 pence at times [from a collector's book shop who sells off those from lots he buys that aren't necessarily collectors worthy, including hard backs.] - up to 3 pounds from other local bookshops.
I prefer to read my books in the original language whenever possible, and there really isn't that much offering of English language second hand books outside of English-speaking countries. Of course there's Amazon and eBay, but then you need to add shipping costs and you need to wait at least a week to get the books.
And you can't even see the condition of the books when buying, you need to rely on seller's description to know that, and you need to check seller's feedback to to see if he is trustworthy to begin with, etc.
Bothersome. Time-consuming. Expensive.

So one price, DRM-free, instant download ebooks would really be a prefered option here.

Unfortunately, like said, such service just hasn't been started yet.
Then again, there's no DRM-free FLAC-based one price music store with a good, wide catalogue either.
I'm interested to know if anyone is still unhappy or whether the new letter has cleared up your reservations. After a bit of explanation from a blue I'm happy to say that my fears have been allayed.
I will boycott because why not- it's not like I need to be rational or anything.
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SirPrimalform: I'm interested to know if anyone is still unhappy or whether the new letter has cleared up your reservations. After a bit of explanation from a blue I'm happy to say that my fears have been allayed.
The only ones that are unhappy now are the ones that put the priority of more new games over regional pricing. And, coincidentally I'm sure, most of those are from countries that wouldn't be hammered by regional pricing.

Funny thing is, now I haven't tried it and I'm not going to despite sort of wanting to, now that they're whining about no new games coming because of this change, I'd bet all my wealth they aren't gonna wanna hear "Stop your whining! If you don't like it go somewhere else. Boycott. And I look forward to not seeing you around here anymore."

Yet I could quote phrase exactly like or pretty near that which were posted at those of us with the good sense to stand up and say no loud and clear to violating a core, and fair, principle.

Tempting, but I'm not gonna do it. Would still make the bet though that they won't like it one little bit being on the other end of the vitriol.
Post edited March 12, 2014 by OldFatGuy