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Kailos: Perhaps I misjudged your character, because of your initial hostility. Now, I relate more to your position and I have a better understanding of why you feel the way that you do. I still see no moral or ethical ground for your argument. At the end of the day, we are infringing upon copyrights. And honestly, we know better. We should be more responsible and ethical.

It not that I'm "hostile", I'm just too lazy to plenty argument on these issues every time I talk about them :-P
About the "ethical" justification of "digital piracy", it's some sort of defence: they continue to call me a thief, a pirate, a music-film-game industry killer, a bad, barbaric person etc. When I talk trash about "piracy", my thoughts are for this kind of morons from the industry. If and when the morons will understand that they need to sit and talk to the people who do P2P, then I'll change my stance and will start to use a more gentle approach.
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chautemoc: If you really don't like DRM, don't pirate, and buy DRM-free games. This is the best you can do. Pirating will only make it worse. It's like complaining about your health, saying 'fuck it, I'm taking up smoking', then complaining when it gets worse. Don't complain about DRM if you're going to pirate. It's just ridiculous.

I've got a better approach to this: I'll continue to pirate everything till the end of my days, because I've done things thins way for all my life. But games with a draconian DRM system like Assassins Creen II will end up at the bottom of my endless "to-buy" list.
Just an example to explain you the kind of "pirate" you are talking with: I've seen "Watchmen" at the movies for three times in a row, by paying every time the full ticket price. Then I've downloaded the high-definition rip and seen it two times. In the end, "Watchmen" has been the first Blu-ray I've purchased for my new external Blu-ray burner.
As you see, piracy (the way I mean it) is good for everyone. DRM? Just an annoyance from someone has no working brain between his ears.
Post edited May 06, 2010 by KingofGnG
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bansama: It's not the industry; it's the rest of us, the players, that you're screwing over.
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Syme: So, you defend this kind of shit? You like DRM? I've got problems with the industry using the DRM, that's all.

Sorry to tell you this, but most of the people I know pirate games just to get it for free, DRM of not. Since then, I found the argument of pirating because of the DRM rather hollow.
I can't accept the DRM itself (although I can make compromises), but I can accept the reasons why it is used.
I'm interested in Alpha Protocol myself and as long as the DRM isn't too problematic (or too draconian like AC2), I'll get it.
I want to note that the above post is edited incorrectly. The part attributed to Bansama is me, and the part attributed to me is KingofGnG.
So, because KingofGnG watched a movie a few times, then downloaded it, but then bought the Blu-Ray...yes Virginia, piracy is good for business.
Are you honestly that thick?
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Crassmaster: So, because KingofGnG watched a movie a few times, then downloaded it, but then bought the Blu-Ray...yes Virginia, piracy is good for business.
Are you honestly that thick?

Actually, current studies show that piracy actually helps sales, rather than hurt them
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9744037-16.html
http://www.psfk.com/2009/04/music-piracy-may-actually-help-sales.html
http://www.destructoid.com/sony-admits-that-psp-piracy-fuels-the-growth-of-hardware-sales--91340.phtml
You get the idea. It doesn't make it legally correct. To an extent, it is not ethical either (though, that leads to debates about the monetization of "intellectual property." Where would the world be if Sherlock Holmes, Romeo & Juliet or Beowulf, were copyrighted material?). As far as our society's standards are concerned, piracy is bad, because it is a form of theft. But is it as harmful as most of these companies say? Not really.
Microsoft was for many years almost actively supporting the "pirating" of its software. That was before it came the giant.
Anyway, back to the game. I watched a few videos and read a few things and it looks like a super cool game, if done right.
I do wonder how long the single player game will be, although there is enough replayability with different ways to play the game that could make things okish even if it isn't long.
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Crassmaster: So, because KingofGnG watched a movie a few times, then downloaded it, but then bought the Blu-Ray...yes Virginia, piracy is good for business.
Are you honestly that thick?

Yes, absolutely 100%. Who uses P2P just to download something without buying it isn't a potential customer, just a "mass" from which the industry can't squeeze out anything. So you have to focus on people that actually buy stuff and people that would do so at certain conditions (more affordable prices, a real added value in physical goods etc.).
On the matter of converting pure downloaders to buyers, I think this is a broader issue to discuss in this thread. And frankly speaking I've not so many informed ideas on that....
I repeat you, and I repeat straight: just calling "piracy" and defining it "illegal" is nothing but hypocrisy. The digital world works very differently than that, and intelligent people try to understand why certain factual things happen (ie. the aforementioned "piracy") instead of pointing at them and calling them "illegal", "screwing the industry" and other kinds of bullshit.
Post edited May 07, 2010 by KingofGnG