Posted August 04, 2013
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Posted August 04, 2013
XForezoneX: Don't you all think? First Amnesia...now Penumbra. I wish they had a list of upcoming games lol.
Well, it's not really exciting for me since I am mostly just interested in older games, roughly pre-'05 or '06. Amnesia and Penumbra are great games (and the sale prices were great), but I've already heard so much about them that their release wasn't that exciting to me. GOG is at QuakeCon, currently; I'm hoping they're able to make some headway with ZeniMax, or at least parts of ZeniMax (iD, etc.), so we'll see releases of those classics.
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Posted August 04, 2013
XForezoneX: Don't you all think? First Amnesia...now Penumbra. I wish they had a list of upcoming games lol.
tfishell: Well, it's not really exciting for me since I am mostly just interested in older games, roughly pre-'05 or '06. Amnesia and Penumbra are great games (and the sale prices were great), but I've already heard so much about them that their release wasn't that exciting to me. GOG is at QuakeCon, currently; I'm hoping they're able to make some headway with ZeniMax, or at least parts of ZeniMax (iD, etc.), so we'll see releases of those classics.
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Posted August 04, 2013
Yeah yeah, we know. GOG shouldn't release games that are sold anywhere else. Only other stores have that privilege, not GOG.
Like Steam releasing System Shock 2 after GOG, or Steam still Greenlighting games that were already sold either in Humble Bundles or in some cases even in GOG (like "99 Levels to Hell"). But that's perfectly fine and no reason to bitch, as it is not GOG we are talking about. Only GOG should be denied of selling games that are also available elsewhere.
I guess the only "right" thing to do now was to go to Steam Greenlight, and downvote 99 Levels To Hell not to appear on Steam. But I don't want to deny the developer the possibility to sell the game in Steam, even though they already sell it in GOG as well. That would be just childish.
GOG is at QuakeCon, currently; I'm hoping they're able to make some headway with ZeniMax, or at least parts of ZeniMax (iD, etc.), so we'll see releases of those classics. Well, I think the complaint by the OP was that GOG releases games that are already sold elsewhere too. The old ID classics, as well as X-Com/UFO Enemy Unknown games etc., have been available in Steam and/or GamersGate for a long time.
So I guess they shouldn't be released in GOG, as they are already available elsewhere too. Same goes for many of the older LucasArts titles as well I guess, as they are already on Steam.
Like Steam releasing System Shock 2 after GOG, or Steam still Greenlighting games that were already sold either in Humble Bundles or in some cases even in GOG (like "99 Levels to Hell"). But that's perfectly fine and no reason to bitch, as it is not GOG we are talking about. Only GOG should be denied of selling games that are also available elsewhere.
I guess the only "right" thing to do now was to go to Steam Greenlight, and downvote 99 Levels To Hell not to appear on Steam. But I don't want to deny the developer the possibility to sell the game in Steam, even though they already sell it in GOG as well. That would be just childish.
XForezoneX: Don't you all think? First Amnesia...now Penumbra. I wish they had a list of upcoming games lol.
tfishell: Well, it's not really exciting for me since I am mostly just interested in older games, roughly pre-'05 or '06. Amnesia and Penumbra are great games (and the sale prices were great), but I've already heard so much about them that their release wasn't that exciting to me. GOG is at QuakeCon, currently; I'm hoping they're able to make some headway with ZeniMax, or at least parts of ZeniMax (iD, etc.), so we'll see releases of those classics.
So I guess they shouldn't be released in GOG, as they are already available elsewhere too. Same goes for many of the older LucasArts titles as well I guess, as they are already on Steam.
Post edited August 04, 2013 by timppu
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Posted August 04, 2013
EDIT: Oh, wait, I thought you were irritated at me because I've expressed similar opinions in the past. If not, my apologies. If so, be assured that I don't think GOG shouldn't have Steam games, or vice versa. (Heck, I want to see Zenimax's Steam titles here.) I just did not find Amnesia release that exciting because I've heard so much about it in the past, and already have it DRM-free. That's just me; the release was very well-accepted by others, and Amnesia was - it turns out - was high up on the wishlist.
That being said, it is nice when GOG is willing to take the time to bring games not easily obtained elsewhere; to me, it shows that they aren't just in it for easy-to-get money. (Imagine if they hadn't gone after the Hasbro titles like Planescape Torment or Baldur's Gate, nor worked to get EA here with Alpha Centauri or Theme Hospital, just because these titles weren't already on Steam or took hard work to bring here.)
That being said, it is nice when GOG is willing to take the time to bring games not easily obtained elsewhere; to me, it shows that they aren't just in it for easy-to-get money. (Imagine if they hadn't gone after the Hasbro titles like Planescape Torment or Baldur's Gate, nor worked to get EA here with Alpha Centauri or Theme Hospital, just because these titles weren't already on Steam or took hard work to bring here.)
Post edited August 04, 2013 by tfishell
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Posted August 04, 2013
haha. talk about projecting and reading things into it. I guess we read OP different.
I took him on his word. Did not occur to you that the OP might mean exactly what he was saying, and that it was not intended to be sarcastic or snarky (not everyone are, you know), but actually finding the new releases good?
I also wish gog had an upcoming list, I have said so many times.
I took him on his word. Did not occur to you that the OP might mean exactly what he was saying, and that it was not intended to be sarcastic or snarky (not everyone are, you know), but actually finding the new releases good?
I also wish gog had an upcoming list, I have said so many times.
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Posted August 04, 2013
Because Penumbra was such a shock after Amnesia.
tfishell
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Posted August 04, 2013
amok: haha. talk about projecting and reading things into it. I guess we read OP different.
I took him on his word. Did not occur to you that the OP might mean exactly what he was saying, and that it was not intended to be sarcastic or snarky (not everyone are, you know), but actually finding the new releases good?
Yeah, I didn't expect a n00bie to be so bitter already, so since Tim's comment was right below mine and because we'd had our bickering in the past, I assumed he took issue with what I was saying. :-PI took him on his word. Did not occur to you that the OP might mean exactly what he was saying, and that it was not intended to be sarcastic or snarky (not everyone are, you know), but actually finding the new releases good?
timppu
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Posted August 04, 2013
amok: haha. talk about projecting and reading things into it. I guess we read OP different.
I took him on his word. Did not occur to you that the OP might mean exactly what he was saying, and that it was not intended to be sarcastic or snarky (not everyone are, you know), but actually finding the new releases good?
Anything's possible I guess, but I guess I was taken by the fourth sarcastic message. And also considering the bitching on the official Amnesia (and Penumbra) release threads. I already know where you stand. :) I took him on his word. Did not occur to you that the OP might mean exactly what he was saying, and that it was not intended to be sarcastic or snarky (not everyone are, you know), but actually finding the new releases good?
So to OP: if you were not being sarcastic (unlike some others in this and the Amnesia/Penumbra release threads), my apologies. Good thing that you found the releases genuinely surprising and interesting, and were not sarcastically moaning about "GOG releasing games that have been available elsewhere already".
Post edited August 04, 2013 by timppu
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Posted August 04, 2013
tfishell: That being said, it is nice when GOG is willing to take the time to bring games not easily obtained elsewhere; to me, it shows that they aren't just in it for easy-to-get money. (Imagine if they hadn't gone after the Hasbro titles like Planescape Torment or Baldur's Gate, nor worked to get EA here with Alpha Centauri or Theme Hospital, just because these titles weren't already on Steam or took hard work to bring here.)
I don't think GOG's mission ever has been to release _only_ games that are sold elsewhere too. But I think the complaints come from GOG releasing _also_ games that are available elsewhere too. If a game (old or new) is not sold anywhere else (yet), I can see mainly two possible reasons:
1. The other stores have simply not realized yet that people would like to buy that game en masse.
2. The other stores realize it doesn't make much business sense to try to pursue the rights to sell those games (unless, maybe, someone else have done all the hard and expensive groundwork, and offers the games on a silver platter to them).
I'm more inclined to believe that nowadays it is more often about 2 than 1. Other digital stores besides GOG do realize nowadays that many old games can yield good profits, e.g. Interplay RPGs, Square/Eidos games, X-Com series, early X-Frontier games, old LucasArts games etc. etc. etc. Besides those, there certainly are lots of old "classics" yet to pursue, like lots of old Apogee and Epic Megagames shareware games, but I think many people here over-estimate how much profit pursuing the rights for every obscure old game would really yield (if they are old classics that other stores, nor the IP rights holders, don't seem to show interest in selling).
Post edited August 04, 2013 by timppu