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MonstaMunch: What I think we can agree on is that they had a right to create and publish the game as they wish, and that there is no good reason to censor it in any way. As long as people know what they are buying before they buy it, there shouldn't be a problem :)
Agreed
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MonstaMunch: The artistic side of you takes issue with boobs, sex and violence? Countless talented artists throughout history have used those things as inspiration to create highly acclaimed works of art.
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abolat: not to mention alcoholism, and opium and other drug use =)
Heh. Berlioz, Symphony Fantastique... amuses me to no end. Basically it's a piece of programmatic music that depicts the hallucinations of "an artist" (i.e, the composer's projection of himself) when he falls into an opium-induced state, because of despair over unrequited love. The piece was written because--you guessed it--the composer himself was in love with a woman that didn't return his affections. It's SO DARN HILARIOUSLY ROMANTIC.

Silly Romantic Era.

Anyway, your post just reminded me of that. Music nerd mode off.
Post edited February 14, 2012 by jefequeso
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MonstaMunch: What I think we can agree on is that they had a right to create and publish the game as they wish, and that there is no good reason to censor it in any way. As long as people know what they are buying before they buy it, there shouldn't be a problem :)
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jefequeso: Agreed
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abolat: not to mention alcoholism, and opium and other drug use =)
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jefequeso: Heh. Berlioz, Symphony Fantastique... amuses me to no end. Basically it's a piece of programmatic music that depicts the hallucinations of "an artist" (i.e, the composer's projection of himself) when he falls into an opium-induced state, because of despair over unrequited love. The piece was written because--you guessed it--the composer himself was in love with a woman that didn't return his affections. It's SO DARN HILARIOUSLY ROMANTIC.

Silly Romantic Era.

Anyway, your post just reminded me of that. Music nerd mode off.
Glad I could help? I don't know how to take your post, lol :) I hope it was meant well.
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Fever_Discordia: Seems to break character a bit too -
"I am the dark and malevolent Witcher and I will eat you soul!!.... But first look at these pics of all the birds I've had - See her? - I've had her, had her too and her, oh now HER I DEFINITELY had HER phew!" etc
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jefequeso: Well, as many people have said before, "sex sells." And I suppose I can't blame them for using a tried-and-true method of marketing their game to a male audience. Still, the artistic side of me takes issue with it.
Then I guess your artistic side hasn't seen the fantastic painted artwork they produced for the so-called "cheesecake pictures" in the game. Nudity does not make the work any less artistic in any way, a fact proven by (far too many to list) classical and revered pieces of artwork featuring nudity on display in every single major museum in the world.

On the subject at hand, I agree that GOG should strive to get as many "original cut" games as they can, but more specifically, I don't think the "adults only" rating should ever be used to automatically disqualify a game from coming to GOG (not that they have ever said it has, mind you). Just because certain game types or content might not be everyone's cup of tea doesn't mean they aren't actually good games that many people will still enjoy immensely. Of course, legally GOG might then be required to put up an age gate to block the youngins' from seeing the naughty bits, but that doesn't strike me as all that difficult to implement.
Yeah i agree on this its needed tbh,
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cogadh: Then I guess your artistic side hasn't seen the fantastic painted artwork they produced for the so-called "cheesecake pictures" in the game. Nudity does not make the work any less artistic in any way, a fact proven by (far too many to list) classical and revered pieces of artwork featuring nudity on display in every single major museum in the world.
If you had bothered to read the rest of the thread before posting, you would see that your sentiments have already been expressed, it's already been established that it's not the nudity itself that I'm objecting to, and I've agreed that there are two sides to the issue and I was blowing the whole thing out of proportion. And also, despite the fact that I'm not feeling quite as crappy today, I still don't think it's worth spending time on something this petty. I find the cards cheesy (which is why I said "the artistic side of me objects to it."). Others do not. End of story. If you feel the need to discuss it further, then PM me...we don't need to clog up this thread anymore than I already have.
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jefequeso: Agreed


Heh. Berlioz, Symphony Fantastique... amuses me to no end. Basically it's a piece of programmatic music that depicts the hallucinations of "an artist" (i.e, the composer's projection of himself) when he falls into an opium-induced state, because of despair over unrequited love. The piece was written because--you guessed it--the composer himself was in love with a woman that didn't return his affections. It's SO DARN HILARIOUSLY ROMANTIC.

Silly Romantic Era.

Anyway, your post just reminded me of that. Music nerd mode off.
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abolat: Glad I could help? I don't know how to take your post, lol :) I hope it was meant well.
That was just the first thing I thought of when you mentioned opium. Perfect example of drugs inspiring great art (although I'm not really a Berlioz fan).
Post edited February 14, 2012 by jefequeso
+1 for any game GOG.com can get rights to distribute. Especially if its not on the other DD sites.

I do think it may in turn perhaps lead to some legal issues as if GOG.com sells the 18+ (never seen a 21+ in the UK :-P ) then they need to have a way of keeping them from the users below that age unfortunately.

PS: For all i know they do, im an old fart and when logged in have never seen a "U mst b X yrs auld 2 bye" message on GOG.com
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cogadh: Then I guess your artistic side hasn't seen the fantastic painted artwork they produced for the so-called "cheesecake pictures" in the game. Nudity does not make the work any less artistic in any way, a fact proven by (far too many to list) classical and revered pieces of artwork featuring nudity on display in every single major museum in the world.
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jefequeso: If you had bothered to read the rest of the thread before posting, you would see that your sentiments have already been expressed, it's already been established that it's not the nudity itself that I'm objecting to, and I've agreed that there are two sides to the issue and I was blowing the whole thing out of proportion. And also, despite the fact that I'm not feeling quite as crappy today, I still don't think it's worth spending time on something this petty. I find the cards cheesy (which is why I said "the artistic side of me objects to it."). Others do not. End of story. If you feel the need to discuss it further, then PM me...we don't need to clog up this thread anymore than I already have.
I didn't really feel the need to discuss further (and if you really had nothing more to say on the topic then you should have PMed your response to me instead of posting it publicly), but I see from your response that I didn't say it as clearly as I could have.

You stated your "artistic side" had a problem with it but all I have seen in your replies is you having a moral issue with the way it was presented, not an artistic one. Plus on more than one occasion you brought up the whole "using sex and nudity in a mature way" as if there was nothing mature about naked pictures (hence the reasonable assumption that you had a problem with the nudity). How many people have pictures of their significant others in their wallet, on their cell phones, computer, etc.? Would you agree the vast majority of the civilized world? I'll bet a lot of them are even erotic or naked pictures, too. It's definitely not something that everyone does, but it is something that people have been doing for centuries and there is nothing inherently "cheezy" about it. In fact, small erotic prints similar to the cards in the Witcher have been around since at least the middle ages, some of which are now considered important works of art for both their historical and aesthetic value. I get that you might not like the presentation on a moral level, but that really has nothing to do with the artistic quality of the work at all. Western ideas of morality that permeate countries like ours are often used to denigrate works of art because of their subject matter, to the point of censorship without any regard for the damage that does to the artistic value of the work as a whole. This is especially true of video games (which are works of art) that are still treated as if they are only children's toys and not at all made with mature adults in mind.
Post edited February 14, 2012 by cogadh