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TheBitterness: If you don't see this new announcement as anything other than a wholly positive, yet difficult decision for GOG to come to then you are a remarkable idiot.

GOG made the difficult decision to bring specific titles to their customers at the cost of regional pricing for those and only those titles.
You need to peruse the epic thread about this, say the first 20 or 30 pages at default site settings and read TET's comments there because you are wrong and that will clue you in.

I'll give you the highlights and leave it to you to go read the proof for yourself.

These three games are the first planned ones, not the only planned ones.

The status of the existing catalog of titles for regional pricing has now become an unknown. He wasn't sure what might happen with those now.

You might want to be a little more careful in doing your homework before calling people idiots.
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dirtyharry50: You need to peruse the epic thread about this, say the first 20 or 30 pages at default site settings and read TET's comments there because you are wrong and that will clue you in.

I'll give you the highlights and leave it to you to go read the proof for yourself.

These three games are the first planned ones, not the only planned ones.

The status of the existing catalog of titles for regional pricing has now become an unknown. He wasn't sure what might happen with those now.

You might want to be a little more careful in doing your homework before calling people idiots.
You might want to add the (as of yet unknown) gifting changes to that. We may be idiots, but we still want free games.
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TheBitterness: GOG made the difficult decision to bring specific titles to their customers at the cost of regional pricing for those and only those titles.
Err, how about no? TET pretty clearly stated that regional prices are entirely up to devs/publishers so no, it absolutely does NOT mean only those titles. It also means that should devs/publishers ask it, regional prices will be applied to their current games when contracts expire and are renegotiated. Regional restrictions and censorship is also allowed now for future contracts so sorry Germany, Australia and Japan. You aren't allowed to have fun.
Post edited February 24, 2014 by Petrell
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xxxIndyxxx: I stopped reading at remarkable idiot. It completely destroyed whatever you wanted to say....
I kept reading, well, skimming, but that is the one thing written that really hurt the OP's credibility.
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TheBitterness: If you don't see this new announcement as anything other than a wholly positive, yet difficult decision for GOG to come to then you are a remarkable idiot.

GOG made the difficult decision to bring specific titles to their customers at the cost of regional pricing for those and only those titles.
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dirtyharry50: You need to peruse the epic thread about this, say the first 20 or 30 pages at default site settings and read TET's comments there because you are wrong and that will clue you in.

I'll give you the highlights and leave it to you to go read the proof for yourself.

These three games are the first planned ones, not the only planned ones.

The status of the existing catalog of titles for regional pricing has now become an unknown. He wasn't sure what might happen with those now.

You might want to be a little more careful in doing your homework before calling people idiots.
I'm not a forum-dweller or someone who regularly peruses them because they are remarkably toxic. (Some will call this statement hypocritical; it's not.) What I read seemed to have missed those comments and I thank you for pointing that out to me. With that said, the rash of negative reactions is still something that I believe not to be warranted and following some of the reasoning that 'TET' gave.

I won't walk back my statement about remarkable idiocy. It's one thing to react the way a number of posters have and another to recognise the spirit of what GOG is doing here, slightly but meaningfully misinformed as I was, and later have to admit that and make necessary redactions. I made some factual errors, definitely, and I will redact the text with strikethroughs so that the text can still be seen but considered 'edited out' for all intents and purposes. Other comments will not be redacted because the OP is what's truly the most important.
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TheBitterness: ...All of the games that are priced in accordance with GOG's flat pricing are going to stay that way and it was in no way inferred that anything other than that would be the case. ....
Have you heard of the term re-negotiation before? And slippery-slope, give and inch and they take a yard, open the pandora's box do mean anything? So all future or past publishers given the choice will only ever opt for worldwide equal prices because they are so nice?

I think the truth is much more complex. The customers of GOG have a really good understanding of the announcement, maybe even better than your's of it.
Post edited February 24, 2014 by Trilarion
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Fever_Discordia: But, y'know, what's the common factor here? The major publishers!
We should be bashing them for insisting on regional pricing and restrictions, not individual DD stores, I admire GOG for standing up to them for as long as they did, personally!
That's questionable. Taking GreenManGaming as an example, games they used to be happy with selling to Japan (from smaller publishers) were restricted as soon as the decided restrictions were the way to go. Had it just been games from the usual suspects, I may agree with you. But this is something GMG decided to do regardless. There's been many cases on Steam (too many to count, especially for Japan where the default option often appears to be restrict unless specifically told not to) where Valve have done the same, or similarly forced cut versions of games on regions that don't need them, despite the publisher giving no such instructions.
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TheBitterness: GOG made the difficult decision to bring specific titles to their customers at the cost of regional pricing for those and only those titles.
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Petrell: Err, how about no? TET pretty clearly stated that regional prices are entirely up to devs/publishers so no, it absolutely does NOT mean only those titles. It also means that should devs/publishers ask it, regional prices will be applied to their current games when contracts expire and are renegotiated. Regional restrictions and censorship is also allowed now for future contracts so sorry Germany, Australia and Japan. You aren't allowed to have fun.
I'm kind of surprised GOG was allowed to sell the uncensored versions in those territories actually - censorship sucks and it sucks that people in those countries are being treated that way but I would have thought that GOG wouldn't have been allowed to sell uncensored over there by law...
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Fever_Discordia: But, y'know, what's the common factor here? The major publishers!
We should be bashing them for insisting on regional pricing and restrictions, not individual DD stores, I admire GOG for standing up to them for as long as they did, personally!
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bansama: That's questionable. Taking GreenManGaming as an example, games they used to be happy with selling to Japan (from smaller publishers) were restricted as soon as the decided restrictions were the way to go. Had it just been games from the usual suspects, I may agree with you. But this is something GMG decided to do regardless. There's been many cases on Steam (too many to count, especially for Japan where the default option often appears to be restrict unless specifically told not to) where Valve have done the same, or similarly forced cut versions of games on regions that don't need them, despite the publisher giving no such instructions.
Well, GOG have given themselves new powers, lets just wait and see how they use / abuse those powers, I'll certainly be upset on your behalf if I think you guys are getting shafted!
Ooh, this is tense! People sure get heated up on this subject.

Just remember Obi-Wan's words: "Only the Sith deal in absolutes" and try to find the middle way. =)
+1

I rather get more drm free games with regional pricing than less without.
Post edited February 24, 2014 by justanoldgamer
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nuuttiT: Ooh, this is tense! People sure get heated up on this subject.

Just remember Obi-Wan's words: "Only the Sith deal in absolutes" and try to find the middle way. =)
I have read the first pages of the main thread and its funny in someways. I can sum up the rage in one vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27UvJrsf9Zc
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TheBitterness: /snip rationalizing...
Making a blanket statement that many people who are unhappy about this are idiots, all excuses aside, was uncalled for. It's as simple as that.

Do you think that European and Australian customers who will be gouged with higher prices should be happy about this or upset about this?

Do you think that people who believed this company's management when they went on and on about how Fair World Pricing is a "core value" of this company (see videos linked in regional pricing thread) should not be upset when the company now tosses this so called core value out the window? You really should see those videos if you never have before. They made quite a big deal about how wrong regional pricing is and how important it is to treat people fairly, as human beings, etc., etc.

Do you not recognize how insulting the announcement was as typical marketing bullshit where bad news is delivered with a headline of "Great News!" and then goes on to inform that some are about to get screwed on price since we no longer respect our core values that we've previously made such a big deal about?

You may not agree that any of this matters personally and considering that your prices will not be affected it is even easier to not care about any of this. Maybe when they dump the DRM-free core value you will care about that or maybe you won't if the excuse is suitable to you. In either case, just because it doesn't bother you personally doesn't make large numbers of other people idiots for being upset by it.
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nuuttiT: Ooh, this is tense! People sure get heated up on this subject.

Just remember Obi-Wan's words: "Only the Sith deal in absolutes" and try to find the middle way. =)
You're awesome. lol

:D
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TheBitterness: /snip rationalizing...
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dirtyharry50: Making a blanket statement that many people who are unhappy about this are idiots, all excuses aside, was uncalled for. It's as simple as that.

Do you think that European and Australian customers who will be gouged with higher prices should be happy about this or upset about this?

Do you think that people who believed this company's management when they went on and on about how Fair World Pricing is a "core value" of this company (see videos linked in regional pricing thread) should not be upset when the company now tosses this so called core value out the window? You really should see those videos if you never have before. They made quite a big deal about how wrong regional pricing is and how important it is to treat people fairly, as human beings, etc., etc.

Do you not recognize how insulting the announcement was as typical marketing bullshit where bad news is delivered with a headline of "Great News!" and then goes on to inform that some are about to get screwed on price since we no longer respect our core values that we've previously made such a big deal about?

You may not agree that any of this matters personally and considering that your prices will not be affected it is even easier to not care about any of this. Maybe when they dump the DRM-free core value you will care about that or maybe you won't if the excuse is suitable to you. In either case, just because it doesn't bother you personally doesn't make large numbers of other people idiots for being upset by it.
I kind of get Déjà-vu from all this. Didn't Stardock/Impule go thru quite similar period with all the "Gamers bill of rights", "DRM is bad!" and "we'll never sell our games on steam!". They were (or was it just their director or something) quite vocal about it back then. Then they began give all of them up one buy one basically to appeal bigger publsihers and earn more money. Then they made Elemental: War of Magic and their house cards collapsed and had to sell their digital distribution business to avoid bankruptcy (GOG had similar moment when CD Projekt's former cash cow, the retail business dried up and CD Projekt RED had it's disasterous venture into console market, both around the same time.).

Obviously there were differences. The director, or who ever that guy was, was quite erratic person iirc and seemed to have as many haters as he had loyal fans. Iirc he quite vocally attacked anyone who questioned him or Stardocks products (with his fans fanatically supporting him ofcourse). And impulse can hardly be compared to GOG considering it was primarily US digital distribution service (half of the games only available in US, half of sales only in US and prices favored US and screwed everyone else) and had DRM from day one (althought they tried to make less annoying DRM to appeal both customers and publishers).