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DreamedArtist: Been using this for a while, you can do many things on this.
Heh, found it hilarious when i managed to install 95 on DosBox... Course without drivers to make it take advantage of hardware, slightly annoying vs say VirtualBox

Though aside from some compatibility, or accessing your compressed volumes from Doublespace/DriveSpace....
Post edited December 20, 2019 by rtcvb32
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DreamedArtist: Been using this for a while, you can do many things on this.
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rtcvb32: Heh, found it hilarious when i managed to install 95 on DosBox... Course without drivers to make it take advantage of hardware, slightly annoying vs say VirtualBox

Though aside from some compatibility, or accessing your compressed volumes from Doublespace/DriveSpace....
I got a few games to run on this EXE or zipped version of 95, runs better than DOSBox for some reason.

put 98 on that program and boom!

I really want to relive the days of 98, That was my jam
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Post edited December 20, 2019 by DreamedArtist
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DreamedArtist: I got a few games to run on this EXE or zipped version of 95, runs better than DOSBox for some reason.
Hmmm.... well DosBox uses a non MS-DOS free OS, while Windows 95 was built on top of MS-DOS 7 (effectively). So having the base OS closer match would mean it probably would run better.

Or maybe it was tweaked to run better than DosBox... not sure.
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ZFR: If not, what are better alternatives then? Use whatever I have on my Windows 7 CD, or should I Install+Update and then only go offline?
Why wouldn't you do that? That is exactly what I would do. MS will keep the Windows 7 online updates available for years to come I think, so it is not like the ability to get the "latest" updates for Win7 will vanish when the extended support ends.

My current main gaming PC (an aging ASUS gaming laptop) is just like that. I have Windows 7 64bit on it (I have reinstalled it clean a couple of times, the last time was like a year ago), and installed Linux Mint XFCE beside it. When the Win7 support ends soon, by default I will keep the Win7 offline (by disabling its networking/wifi), and when I need to go online with that PC, I use Linux. I might still go occasionally online with Win7 if there is some specific need.

I would have an option for a free Win10 update for that PC, but I intend to keep Win7 on it for any games that have issues on Win10 and work better on Win7. I have a separate PC (laptop) with Win10 already, and my future main gaming PC will most likely have Win10 preloaded anyway.
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ZFR: Speaking of, would being completely offline necessary security-wise? If I stay connected, but only use it for driver-updates and keep my AV up to date, without any browsing or similar, wouldn't that be OK?
There is no simple answer to that. It totally depends on your other machine/network configuration, what will you do online etc. Like, are you behind a NAT router, are the Windows programs you use (like a web browser, antivirus etc. still actively updated on Windows 7, etc. Microsoft will probably stop giving Win7 updates for their antivirus and IE browser so if you are now using them, switch to using some third-party products like Avira Antivirus, Chrome/Firefox browser etc., as they tend to get longer support for unsupported OSes.

The more critical things you do (like online banking, any services and sites where you log in using username and password etc.), it might be a better idea to do them on the supported Linux side instead. Then again you said you wouldn't use browsers on it.

In general, the longer an OS hasn't received security updates, the more insecure it is. I also have two old retro-gaming PCs with Windows 98SE and XP, and I'd never try go online with them, no matter if someone claims they'd still be secure as long as I update their web browsers etc. (not sure if any web browsers or antivirus still receive updates on WinXP or 98SE). One of those PCs has also Linux, so if I need to download something online directly to that PC, I switch to Linux boot). In the coming years, my Windows 7 will be similarly 100% offline, increasingly so.
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ThorChild: The biggest advantage is it is all 100% legit, no 'dodgy' websites are involved as it all comes from MS directly.
Right, define 100% legit and explain why MS is not 'dodgy' at all? Even their poorly written OS is wrecking more havoc than any other OS in the history by the millions. Windows is getting more de-evolved. And I'm reminded of that Super Mario movie again :D

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ThorChild: The only difference is the script created to do all the work makes sure to avoid the spyware updates that MS started to put out for WIndows 7 (and 8 as well!) to make the older OS behave more like 10 (in terms of data-gathering and phoning home etc).
Riiight, no dodgy business there...

Look, I'm not dismissing the fact that it is useful, however sadly, for many users it's very daunting to try use such tools. Even using a tool like that you're not totally de-void of doing manual (CLI) work. On the other side, just with Linux from Scratch or even with Gentoo, you would actually learn more by doing it manually yourself.

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ThorChild: I would keep internet access to a minimum going forward under Windows 7
There's no reason to not go online and surf normally with Windows 7 for some time as long as as one is equipped with a digital condom. However, being cautious of what you download and install is much more important yes. Also when it comes to email. That's where most people fail to take a responsible approach and when they get stung they come crying wondering why.

The problem IS and has always been the head between the keyboard and the chair. The fact that some likes to invite strangers into their home and trusting them to be there alone and not rampage/steal the house, is beyond me. There really ought to a be a license to use a computer.

Besides, if you're thinking like that why even use Windows at all? Or even use a computer? Nothing is 100% secure and no one can offer that anyway. Can you even trust that piece of proprietary software you use? Even Intel Management Engine is by very definition a backdoor.

Security like many other things is like balancing between risk vs value vs cost vs convenience.
Post edited December 20, 2019 by sanscript
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sanscript: There's no reason to not go online and surf normally with Windows 7 for some time as long as as one is equipped with a digital condom. However, being cautious of what you download and install is much more important yes. Also when it comes to email. That's where most people fail to take a responsible approach and when they get stung they come crying wondering why.
Not really sufficient, unless people are blocking all javascript and plugins and everything else under the sun. Most old hardware and OSs isn't getting full-fledged security fixes for various hardware vulnerabilities cropping up of late.

Take Intel's myriad of vulnerabilities discovered of late many can be leveraged via javascript in a browser. And even on "trusted" sites ad-networks and scripts can be hijacked.
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tammerwhisk: Not really sufficient, unless people are blocking all javascript and plugins and everything else under the sun. Most old hardware and OSs isn't getting full-fledged security fixes for various hardware vulnerabilities cropping up of late.

Take Intel's myriad of vulnerabilities discovered of late many can be leveraged via javascript in a browser. And even on "trusted" sites ad-networks and scripts can be hijacked.
Scaremongering on the part of the big corps interested in making people buy their latest stuff, which in case of software also takes over more control from the user.
As for those side channel vulnerabilities, like most "sky is falling" vulnerability scares in recent years, with one or two notable exceptions which could typically still be mitigated by a 3rd party firewall blocking all inbound connections and not opening fishy files or clicking fishy links, they weren't really exploited past proof of concept stage, or if they were those were usually targeted attacks on large companies or state infrastructure.
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tammerwhisk: Not really sufficient, unless people are blocking all javascript and plugins and everything else under the sun. Most old hardware and OSs isn't getting full-fledged security fixes for various hardware vulnerabilities cropping up of late.

Take Intel's myriad of vulnerabilities discovered of late many can be leveraged via javascript in a browser. And even on "trusted" sites ad-networks and scripts can be hijacked.
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Cavalary: Scaremongering on the part of the big corps interested in making people buy their latest stuff, which in case of software also takes over more control from the user.
As for those side channel vulnerabilities, like most "sky is falling" vulnerability scares in recent years, with one or two notable exceptions which could typically still be mitigated by a 3rd party firewall blocking all inbound connections and not opening fishy files or clicking fishy links, they weren't really exploited past proof of concept stage, or if they were those were usually targeted attacks on large companies or state infrastructure.
Lying to people and lulling them into a false sense of security isn't good either. No XP isn't safe, and no 7 isn't that great either nor is the older hardware... there's enough known vectors of attack that someone isn't going to block it by "sticking to safe websites" if it occurs.

Yes current and future OSs and hardware will have exploits and holes discovered too as time goes on. Freezing in place, but still faffing around online isn't remotely secure. Cause we both know only a handful of people are gonna be blocking all javascript, adverts, plugins, and etc.

And things like the WannaCry debacle... primarily impacted older OSs.
Post edited December 21, 2019 by tammerwhisk
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ZFR: I want to switch to Linux when extended support for Windows 7 ends, but keep a dualboot with offline Windows 7 for games that don't run on Linux.
Is it because of the fallacious belief that an OS is much more virus/malware prone at or near the time it goes EOL/EOS? If so, then please note that such accounts are usually exaggerated &(as POST 2 says very well) still using an EOL/EOS OS is fine as long as you keep your AV/firewalls up to date and activated when online and use common sense when downloading/browsing/etc.
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ZFR: Speaking of, would being completely offline necessary security-wise? If I stay connected, but only use it for driver-updates and keep my AV up to date, without any browsing or similar, wouldn't that be OK?
It's not even necessary to change OSs if the above is followed properly. :)


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AB2012: .....99.999% of data loss isn't someone hacking domestic PC's through their router (and possibly dynamic IP address) to get passwords one at a time. It's someone hacking corporate server databases to swipe millions of records at once.
This....the main times other bad people usually(or so I hear) go after others individually is if they are high value individuals with sensitive data on their PCs.

(Also thanks for the other tips about firewall/etc....I seem to have forgotten some of them when setting up Win10 on my new PC)
Post edited December 21, 2019 by GameRager