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MacArthur: Oh common. A guy come here with this :
"I used to be a Steam fan but now im trying to stay away from it"
He's stating his background. This is saying that he has a large amount of experience with Steam.
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MacArthur: Some steamers (I say steamers, not troll) come here all fanboying that no, no steam never have been abusive, no, no...
Who on this thread so far has said that?
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MacArthur: I don't care if he is saying the truth or not.
And why not?
Post edited June 25, 2016 by zeogold
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TheOneRaziel: As long as that idea lives and guides their decisions in the future, we need not worry about Steam.
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zeogold: This is kind of what people are currently worried about, though. GOG is a company like any other, and they're trying to make money. A lot of forumites here question how far they'll go to do so.
Well, that's exactly the point. I do not believe that "GOG is a company like any other". And as long as that remains true, my stance will not change. I understand the concerns some people have and it's good to have a proper opposition and challenge the idea and concept in general, so I appreciate that.
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TheOneRaziel: As long as we stand together as a community and advocate DRM-free for what it is, GOG will continue to grow.
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zeogold: Again, I hate to be the pessimist, but realistically, I really, really doubt that.
We are only as strong as our weakest link. If no one is left believing in an idea, it shall be forsaken. That much is certain.
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tinyE: Are you serious? Have you looked in the Brexit thread? :P
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zeogold: Or pretty much any thread created by catpower1980. I've seen at least two of his so far get closed, and that's just since I've been here.
To each his own. No one should remain in a relationship they are not happy with. All who so desire are free to leave and live their lives as they see fit. "A good divorce is better than a bad marriage", some would argue.
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MacArthur: and the dude being most likely a AAA fanboy, he has very little chance of coming back here, this is totally moot.
The point is to have a discussion. I have no idea what you're going on about now. First you were accusing amok and Pheace, and now you're accusing....the OP.....?
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MacArthur: And discussing the merits of both stores ?
That's called a "discussion", yes. I've already explained that this is how ideas spread.
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MacArthur: Related to multiplayer games ?
Since when was that the topic at all?
Post edited June 25, 2016 by zeogold
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MacArthur: Oh common. A guy come here with this :
"I used to be a Steam fan but now im trying to stay away from it"
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zeogold: He's stating his background. This is saying that he has a large amount of experience with Steam.
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MacArthur: Some steamers (I say steamers, not troll) come here all fanboying that no, no steam never have been abusive, no, no...
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zeogold: Who on this thread so far has said that?
Am I supposed to answer this ? Is this related in any way with the point of this thread ?

That's why I say that this kind of thread are all absolutely useless and terrain for fanboying. It's all about distorting something by taking a very little part of a post and going round and round about that.
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zeogold: This is kind of what people are currently worried about, though. GOG is a company like any other, and they're trying to make money. A lot of forumites here question how far they'll go to do so.
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TheOneRaziel: Well, that's exactly the point. I do not believe that "GOG is a company like any other". And as long as that remains true, my stance will not change. I understand the concerns some people have and it's good to have a proper opposition and challenge the idea and concept in general, so I appreciate that.
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zeogold: Again, I hate to be the pessimist, but realistically, I really, really doubt that.
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TheOneRaziel: We are only as strong as our weakest link. If no one is left believing in an idea, it shall be forsaken. That much is certain.
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zeogold: Or pretty much any thread created by catpower1980. I've seen at least two of his so far get closed, and that's just since I've been here.
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TheOneRaziel: To each his own. No one should remain in a relationship they are not happy with. All who so desire are free to leave and live their lives as they see fit. "A good divorce is better than a bad marriage", some would argue.
I wasn't trying to start a conversation about that. :P I just meant to show that we are really good at going for each others' throats in here so the idea of being unified made me laugh.
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MacArthur: On GOG ?
LOL
I get the feeling you either haven't been paying much attention to what's actually going on in the thread or just don't care and assume this is another one of those GOG-bashing threads just from the title. It isn't. Keep up before you start throwing out random accusations of trolling.

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MacArthur: That's why I say that this kind of thread are all absolutely useless and terrain for fanboying. It's all about distorting something by taking a very little part of a post and going round and round about that.
Umm...it hasn't so far.
You're the only one who's even suggested it has.
We've been having a perfectly good discussion about the futures of GOG and Steam.
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MacArthur: Am I supposed to answer this ? Is this related in any way with the point of this thread ?
The point of the thread is to encourage discussion about the futures of GOG and Steam.
I still don't understand what on earth you're even getting at. All I've seen so far is you accusing three people of trolling when they were just trying to carry on the discussion.
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TheOneRaziel: Well, that's exactly the point. I do not believe that "GOG is a company like any other".
I hope you don't take this as an insult, but I find that to be a rather naive idea.
I'm an American, and I've seen WAAAAY too many companies that start out as "good" ones with a solid foundation (even non-profits!) who eventually abandon all their principles in favor of profit. At this point, I almost see it as a natural progression, albeit a tragic one
Post edited June 25, 2016 by zeogold
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TheOneRaziel: To each his own. No one should remain in a relationship they are not happy with. All who so desire are free to leave and live their lives as they see fit. "A good divorce is better than a bad marriage", some would argue.
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tinyE: I wasn't trying to start a conversation about that. :P I just meant to show that we are really good at going for each others' throats in here so the idea of being unified made me laugh.
Understood and acknowledged. We do not all have to agree, but those who do - should and basically are unified simply by agreeing on a common stance - such as the one discussed earlier.
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TheOneRaziel: Well, that's exactly the point. I do not believe that "GOG is a company like any other".
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zeogold: I hope you don't take this as an insult, but I find that to be a rather naive idea.
I'm an American, and I've seen WAAAAY too many companies that start out as "good" ones with a solid foundation (even non-profits!) who eventually abandon all their principles in favor of profit. At this point, I almost see it as a natural progression, albeit a tragic one
Not at all, it is your right to express your thoughts and opinion, especially in a respective manner.

We all choose what to believe or not to believe. I've made my choice based on the experience and the actions of GOG in the past and present, even though none of us could claim to know with a 100% certainty what it will grow into in the future.

Believing in someone or something is not a bad thing in itself. The faith I have is based on facts I've come to know and experience firsthand, but that is not to say that things cannot change. But there's also no justified reason for me to think otherwise.
Compete with steam? Not very likely but everything is possible in the digital market.
The real question should be: Do you want GOG compete with Steam?
As it is there are only a few awful games on GOG...Steam on the other hand....
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Schnuff: As it is there are only a few awful games on GOG...Steam on the other hand....
And those few aren't even GOG's fault. It's you people that kept beating on them to bring in System Shock 2! :D
No, gog can't do it because of publishers and developers getting a DRM-boner. Especially the Japanese devs and the triple A games.

In a sense I'm glad we have steam. It attracts more devs & publishers to bring out their game on pc. The bigger GOG grows, the bigger the market will be and it can make those devs/publishers even more money by releasing a DRM free version. That's the goal, isn't it? Help GOG grow so devs/publishers can't get around GOG.
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Schnuff: Compete with steam? Not very likely but everything is possible in the digital market.
The real question should be: Do you want GOG compete with Steam?
As it is there are only a few awful games on GOG...Steam on the other hand....
Who cares how many bad games there are? The important question is, how many good games are there?


And there are waaaaay fewer on GOG.
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TheOneRaziel: The faith I have is based on facts I've come to know and experience firsthand
You have a point. GOG HAS given us reason to trust them in the past, no matter how much we like to complain about them now.
I wonder who the current CEO is? Like, who's considered the head honcho of GOG?
Will GOG ever truly compete with steam?

GOG already is really. Every game sold on both, is one less sale for Steam when bought here. Now can GOG overtake or match Steam? That's a entire different thing. But they truly compete against each other everyday. It's not apple to oranges, they both sell games. One would be naive to think Valve/Steam doesn't watch GOG (and origin, uplay, windows 10 store, etc) closely as competition brings new ideas and better deals to the table. Steam is not to big to fail by no means.

I think GOG has the best chance of matching Steam (if not overtaking it 5-10 years from now). GOG has a diverse catalog, much more than EA or Ubisoft and a very good public perception. What GOG really needs is hot exclusives that can only be found on GOG and unique features. GOG's problem right now though is GOG is working on GOG time, which is slow as hell. GOG is not Valve, and they can't afford to not stay ahead of the curve here, but for some absurd reason they think they are I guess? It blows my mind that they have a development studio and are not leveraging that to bring some awesome games exclusively to GOG, what GOG needs the most to set itself apart from Steam. They made how much off the Witcher 3? Surely CD Projekt Blue (or Green) whatever could be formed for this task.

Other than that I wouldn't count out MS... I've said it before, I have a feeling they might just be the real competition not only for GOG but mostly for Steam. Both stores should be worried about MS. They might not be much competition now but MS is playing the long game and it might pay off. Especially if they lock more features behind DX12 and UWP apps.
Post edited June 25, 2016 by user deleted
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Schnuff: Compete with steam? Not very likely but everything is possible in the digital market.
The real question should be: Do you want GOG compete with Steam?
As it is there are only a few awful games on GOG...Steam on the other hand....
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Chacranajxy: Who cares how many bad games there are? The important question is, how many good games are there?

And there are waaaaay fewer on GOG.
Truuuuue, but still more than I can play in a lifetime. So it's sorta moot, sorta not. I mean, not moot when one store has a particular great title and the other doesn't. Sorta IS moot, because there are so many other great games out there that missing out on one in particular isn't the end of the world.

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Anyway, it's good that while there is a very dominant store in particular, the marketplace still finds success with smaller stores that cater to the customer in other ways. In some ways, the situation is a bit ideal.
this thread led me back to that reddit post by gabe about VAC.

"3) Is Valve using its market success to go evil? I don't think so, but you have to make the call if we are trustworthy. We try really hard to earn and keep your trust."