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Even if they don't, after what happened with GoT I don't really want to invest in a series like that until after it had had its run and shown that it could keep the quality consistent.

Regardless, we'll always have the books, the Peter Jackson films (yes, even The Hobbit - moreso the 1st film than the 2nd, and much moreso the 2nd film than the 3rd), the phenomenal Howard Shore scrores for each film, and a couple of truly excellent games. LotR: The Battle for Middle Earth (1, not 2) is quite possibly the best movie-tie-in-game I've ever played!
I think we should count ourselves lucky that we have as much as we have in the setting, and shouldn't feel too bothered if amazon creates something we don't like. Ditto for Star Wars for that matter.
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Breja: If you mean "will amazon make a shitty, worthless show with no understanding of the source material to cash in on the popular title" then the answer is "yes, obviously".

But will that somehow "ruin" Lord of the Rings? No. Not any more than the "Shadow of Mordor" games did. The books, and even to a degree the movie trilogy, stand tall as masterpieces beloved by generations, deeply ingrained in art and popular culture. A crappy streaming show, likely indistinguishable from Wheel of Time and the Netflix Witcher, it will come and go barely leaving any mark in the long run.
Just like Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines 4 ¾ won't ruin the original Vampire: The Masquerade game. Or the concept of vampires.
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teceem: Aliens, The Abyss, Terminator 2

Just my taste/opinion, of course. I haven't seen any of the documentaries that he directed.
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Breja: Yeah, but that's all before True Lies. Hence the "since".
You're right, I guess I read your post wrong. When I look at his filmography; it looks like he's been more active at producing/writing.
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72_hour_Richard: It will be a superficial version of it, not made for actual fans of the books.
People who don't really care about the books but enjoyed the movies might like the series.

I draw parallelles with the Netflix Witcher series, where they pretty much removed the Polish/slavic elements in favour of Hollywood's americanization. So like the Witcher show it will be a "cleaned-up" generic interpretation, a soulles thing. My expectations are low for it staying true to the source material.

I don't get why Hollywood has to remake or reinterpret everything classic. Sure, it's always been done, but not at this scale.
Hollywood today is filled to the brim with opinionated but unskilled and lazy writers, so that's one explanation.
The other, is that they are trying to rewrite history in a sense, by forcing these classics to become something they were not. They are trying to take ownership of these classic works and shape them into their own propaganda tool.
The problem for them, is that there are no good writers in Hollywood anymore, so what they create is mostly crap.
Most of the top brass in Hollywood now arnt there through their own merit but through connections.

D&D basically got to run Game of Thrones not because they were talented writers but because one of them had a dad who was the chairman of Goldman Sachs or something so has a ton of money to finance projects. Neither of them have any writing skill which is evident when they went from basically copy/pasting the books written by GRRM (who actually has experience writing for TV) to making their own stuff.

Of course, these new writers also have a huge ego so naturally think they can do better than the writers who have already proven that their work is good (hence why it is being adapted). So instead of doing the right thing and properly adapting the books from page to screen and focusing on summarizing and reworking scenes so they translate well from paper to tv, they rewrite stuff to they have "greater input" in the final product, which naturally also results in the new writers' biases and favorites getting special treatment. Hence why we have things like Yen getting more screen-time and taking storylines from others.

New writers also seem to think "subverting expectations" and "mystery boxes" are the key to good writing as opposed to set up, themes, character development, etc. Hence, being predictable is bad so if the internet figures out the ending or event, well better change it.
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Tokyo_Bunny_8990: New writers also seem to think "subverting expectations" and "mystery boxes" are the key to good writing as opposed to set up, themes, character development, etc. Hence, being predictable is bad so if the internet figures out the ending or event, well better change it.
When I watch a new show or a movie with my wife and I get bored, I start guessing where the plot will go next. It is usually a complete nonsense I just make up for the laughs/shock value.
If the show goes that way, we just quit watching it since we don't want to waste time on some garbage I could have come up being half asleep.

We have noticed that I am able to "predict" more and more plot twist as obviously more and more shows are written by incompetent halfwits.
Post edited January 08, 2022 by bombardier
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Breja: Cameron may be Terminator's original creator, but he hasn't done anything actually good since... True Lies in 1994?
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LootHunter: You think that Titanic and Avatar aren't as good as True Lies?
Speaking of Cameron films, I wonder whyThe Abyss and True Lies haven't been given bluray releases yet. It's weird.
Post edited January 09, 2022 by Crosmando
the biggest problem with the cult is they hire based on skin color not on talent , that's why so many actors are just boring bland nothings and their "heroes" end up the same too bland boring forced strong
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Matewis: Even if they don't, after what happened with GoT I don't really want to invest in a series like that until after it had had its run and shown that it could keep the quality consistent.
Oh, I'm pretty sure it will be consistent all right :D

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Matewis: Regardless, we'll always have the books, the Peter Jackson films (yes, even The Hobbit - moreso the 1st film than the 2nd, and much moreso the 2nd film than the 3rd)
Super nerd time: It took me a while (and proves I have no life whatsoever) but I recut the latter two films for my personal use to be as close to the book as possible. I know it has been done alredy by others, far more technically proficient, but this way I have a version to suit me personaly.

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Matewis: , the phenomenal Howard Shore scrores for each film, and a couple of truly excellent games. LotR: The Battle for Middle Earth (1, not 2) is quite possibly the best movie-tie-in-game I've ever played!
There's also quite a lot of board games and tabletop RPGs, though I haven't really tried many of them (a hobby that's both expensive and requires a group of friends who can meet consistantly for long sessions? yeah, I'm fucked).
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Orkhepaj: the biggest problem with the cult is they hire based on skin color not on talent , that's why so many actors are just boring bland nothings and their "heroes" end up the same too bland boring forced strong
In some cases, I agree.

However, in others I think the "replacemanets" are really good at their job, like Mimi Ndiweni who plays Fringilla in the Witcher TV-series as well as Anya Chalotra who plays Yennefer. I have no issues at all with their acting skills, I think they are really good at what they do. I would even say that Fringilla is my favourite character in season 2 of the Witcher.

So to me it's not really about skill, but about the principle or idea of replacing orginal characters with those of more "appropriate" skin colour for purely political purposes. My issue is not with the individual actors or actresses per se.
Post edited January 08, 2022 by 72_hour_Richard
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Matewis: Even if they don't, after what happened with GoT I don't really want to invest in a series like that until after it had had its run and shown that it could keep the quality consistent.
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Breja: Oh, I'm pretty sure it will be consistent all right :D
Lol yes fine, fair enough xP

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Breja: Super nerd time: It took me a while (and proves I have no life whatsoever) but I recut the latter two films for my personal use to be as close to the book as possible. I know it has been done alredy by others, far more technically proficient, but this way I have a version to suit me personaly.
That must've taken an impressive degree of patience. At some stage I should go through some of the options here, and perhaps identify some sort of Cleopatra-length supercut of the 3 films. I remember wondering at the end of the 2nd film how the hell they were going to make an entire third film with the couple of pages of The Hobbit that were left at that point :P

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Breja: There's also quite a lot of board games and tabletop RPGs, though I haven't really tried many of them (a hobby that's both expensive and requires a group of friends who can meet consistantly for long sessions? yeah, I'm fucked).
How could I have forgotten! I used to buy White Dwarf magazines, and loved reading the battle reports for LotR match-ups. There were even mini-campaigns of sorts where you could play through parts of the books, e.g. Moria.
But yes, getting into a good group and finding the time for it is a huge barrier for entry. I almost got into it myself on the 40k end, but realized the only way I would be able to afford it money and time wise was to give up computer gaming :P
Eh, perhaps some day.
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Breja: Super nerd time: It took me a while (and proves I have no life whatsoever) but I recut the latter two films for my personal use to be as close to the book as possible. I know it has been done alredy by others, far more technically proficient, but this way I have a version to suit me personaly.
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Matewis: That must've taken an impressive degree of patience. At some stage I should go through some of the options here, and perhaps identify some sort of Cleopatra-length supercut of the 3 films. I remember wondering at the end of the 2nd film how the hell they were going to make an entire third film with the couple of pages of The Hobbit that were left at that point :P
Yeah, it took a while. But it was actually quite fun, almost like some puzzle game. It wasn't just about removing things like Tauriel, but splicing stuff together to get a whole new result, like Bard shooting and killing Smaug with his bow, and not with a ballista macgyver-ed from bits of wreckege and his son (I literally fell out of my chair laughing in the theatre at that). I ended up with a 90 minute (with credits) cut of the 2nd film, and something like 110 minute of the 3rd (I think), though I'm still not 100% happy with the latter.

Both are of course very crude, definitely wouldn't get any fan edit awards, but they are the versions I wanted to see. I wasn't really entirely on board with any edit I've seen out there, because those usually also cut down the first film, which I kinda like the way it is (despite its flaws), and because they still retain a lot of stuff that irks me, like the moronic scene of the dwarves getting to the Mountain, and deciding to just go back home immediately because they didn't find the keyhole in the first 5 seconds (I recut that to them just opening the damn door with no drama).
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Breja: Yeah, it took a while. But it was actually quite fun, almost like some puzzle game. It wasn't just about removing things like Tauriel, but splicing stuff together to get a whole new result, like Bard shooting and killing Smaug with his bow, and not with a ballista macgyver-ed from bits of wreckege and his son (I literally fell out of my chair laughing in the theatre at that). I ended up with a 90 minute (with credits) cut of the 2nd film, and something like 110 minute of the 3rd (I think), though I'm still not 100% happy with the latter.

Both are of course very crude, definitely wouldn't get any fan edit awards, but they are the versions I wanted to see. I wasn't really entirely on board with any edit I've seen out there, because those usually also cut down the first film, which I kinda like the way it is (despite its flaws), and because they still retain a lot of stuff that irks me, like the moronic scene of the dwarves getting to the Mountain, and deciding to just go back home immediately because they didn't find the keyhole in the first 5 seconds (I recut that to them just opening the damn door with no drama).
Hmm, no I wouldn't want to cut anything from the 1st film either. I mean I enjoyed it enough to go and see it 3 times in the theater (and the Desolation of Smaug twice, but the last film only once). Still, if I like some of those other edits otherwise, it should be easy enough to re-edit so that it contains the entire 1st film.

Tauriel was an incredibly weird addition yes, doubly so because it was in aid of introducing a love interest. But I really like the actress so I kind of didn't mind it :) Legolas bugged me a little more for some reason, especially his rivalry with that one orc.
Honestly, one of the weirdest things to me when it comes to the Hobbit movies was the inclusion of Azog. He's been long dead, killed by Dáin in the Dwarf-Orc war for Moria. Even weirder that both Azog and his son Bolg are present in the movies...
Post edited January 08, 2022 by idbeholdME
While talent (or lack of talent) is an issue in Hollywood, it is not the main issue... and not the reason these shows are failing. This collapse of mythology is orchestrated by powers holding the purse strings.
"will amazon ruin Lord of the rings series?"

Yes. Next question, please.