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cogadh: The cloud save is hardware independent. For example, I have KotOR on my Windows PC, a Linux HTPC, a tablet and my phone. That thumb drive is great when switching from PC to PC, but my tablet and phone don't have a compatible USB port. A cloud save eliminates that problem and now I can continue my umpteenth replay of the game at my desk with my PC or on my couch with my TV or on the go with my phone or tablet. The convenience cannot be topped by any physical backup method. That is just one game that I personally play across multiple devices and platforms and I know I am not alone in this.
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paladin181: How do you play KotOR on tablet and PC? My saves aren't compatible with the different versions of the game.
I don't know what to tell you, my saves between Windows and Android are compatible. I simply have Dropbox keep the save directories on both copies of the game synchronized and it works fine.
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cogadh: I don't know what to tell you, my saves between Windows and Android are compatible. I simply have Dropbox keep the save directories on both copies of the game synchronized and it works fine.
Maybe mods. My PC KotOR is pretty well modded.
Thanks for the wishlist link.

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clarry: Unfortunately GOG is not competing with Valve.
Don't say it as if it's something bad.
Valve's security becomes a burden... a daily hassle. They demand more actions than online banking.

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sunshinecorp: People, people, let's all focus on what's important here!

WHAT ABOUT THE MONEY, KROKKEL?
WHAT DO YOU KNOW?
What money? Do you have it? I'm looking for money.

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anothername: Not sure about them being global or what that means
I mean one site for achievement overview of all played GOG games.
Some games come with achievements on their own which remain within the game only.
I want it all collected as overview somewhere on a website or the client. Doesn't even have to be public.

Steam is not the only one that has achievements. Windows Live / Xbox Live has such a system as well.
Don't know about Origin or UPlay, don't use those.

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blotunga: You can use Google drive to back up your saves. That's what I do.
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snowkatt: that would mean effort and taking responsibility

and less bawwing and not able to blame others
I'm a simple person and lazy on top. It takes a lot to make me complain.
Steam doesn't have a cloud for every game either, so sometimes it happens I'm somewhere else and pick up my game and all progress is gone ^^
I start anew or remember that title and save it manually (which probably won't happen, works against my laziness... however I do backups of savegames but only because the Gamesafe Manager is so comfortably doing that all for me, even uploading it on Google - but I wouldn't know how to progress from there... never had to restore a safegame yet).
I have yet to go somewhere and blame someone. Sounds too bothersome.

I can take responsibility but I don't want much effort. If possible.
Post edited March 15, 2016 by krokkel
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cogadh: I don't know what to tell you, my saves between Windows and Android are compatible. I simply have Dropbox keep the save directories on both copies of the game synchronized and it works fine.
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paladin181: Maybe mods. My PC KotOR is pretty well modded.
I took the clothes off all the females :D

put them in the nudey!

there were in the nudey! :D

even mission! :D

then I read that mission was 17.

D:

she told me she was 18 officer. it's alien physiology apparently they're fully mature at 14 or something I read in the wiki.

itwasn'tme

why KOTOR, why?

KOTOR set up us the bomb

though I should also mention that I myself was a minor at the time. so I guess that's even worse!
Post edited March 16, 2016 by johnnygoging
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krokkel: Thanks for the wishlist link.

Don't say it as if it's something bad.
Valve's security becomes a burden... a daily hassle. They demand more actions than online banking.

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What money? Do you have it? I'm looking for money.

--- I mean one site for achievement overview of all played GOG games.
Some games come with achievements on their own which remain within the game only.
I want it all collected as overview somewhere on a website or the client. Doesn't even have to be public.

Steam is not the only one that has achievements. Windows Live / Xbox Live has such a system as well.
Don't know about Origin or UPlay, don't use those.

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I'm a simple person and lazy on top. It takes a lot to make me complain.
Steam doesn't have a cloud for every game either, so sometimes it happens I'm somewhere else and pick up my game and all progress is gone ^^
I start anew or remember that title and save it manually (which probably won't happen, works against my laziness... however I do backups of savegames but only because the Gamesafe Manager is so comfortably doing that all for me, even uploading it on Google - but I wouldn't know how to progress from there... never had to restore a safegame yet).
I have yet to go somewhere and blame someone. Sounds too bothersome.

I can take responsibility but I don't want much effort. If possible.
As far as I'm aware, every transaction thru online banking needs to be authorized through my physical token.

What Valve do is no different.

You sure love making things more.... dramatic, don't you?
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krokkel: GOG please add a cloud feature and global achievements so I can finally sell my Steam account to some poor victim who doesn't know what awaits him there.
I can't bear Valve's paranoia installments anymore.

- a humble unfaithful-GOG user who wishes to return
(yes it was the money that lured me to Steam and it were achievements, trading cards and cloud that kept me there)
(now i don't care about the money anymore, but about the features and my freedom that Valve cripples more and more)
It's best to take a step back and ask yourself what you truly value in an online game retail platform. How much do you genuinely value what Steam gives you, vs. the aspects of Steam which bother you?

I genuinely don't mean disrespect, but if Steam achievements, Trading Cards, and Steam's cloud features are what you want so much, I'll go out on a limb and say that getting them grafted on to GOG likely isn't going to leave you satisfied. Because then you'll want more and more of Steam's features brought to GOG (importing your games, GOG offering Steam keys, importing your friends lists, etc.) until you've basically turned GOG into a 1:1 carbon copy of Steam.

In short, if Steam's signature cloud features are what you truly want, you'll be much happier staying on Steam and living with the issues you find distasteful.

On the other hand, if Steam's drawbacks outweigh your enjoyment of the service, and if being vocally DRM-free is what you now value above all things, and if you're willing to live with the myriad shortcomings of the GOG forums and storefront, the choice becomes pretty clear.
Post edited March 16, 2016 by rampancy
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johnnygoging: I took the clothes off all the females :D

put them in the nudey!

there were in the nudey! :D

even mission! :D

then I read that mission was 17.

D:

she told me she was 18 officer. it's alien physiology apparently they're fully mature at 14 or something I read in the wiki.

itwasn'tme

why KOTOR, why?

KOTOR set up us the bomb

though I should also mention that I myself was a minor at the time. so I guess that's even worse!
...?Is that all you think mods are good for?
Restoring cut content, adding different features like the ability to skip Taris (great for second or 3rd playthroughs), Jedi at the start, etc. Also, naked wookiees!
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krokkel: Thanks for the wishlist link.

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clarry: Unfortunately GOG is not competing with Valve.
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krokkel: Don't say it as if it's something bad.
Valve's security becomes a burden... a daily hassle. They demand more actions than online banking.
No comment on that. But frequenting these forums even for a short while makes it obvious that there is a large number of people (me included) who want a DRM-free superstore for games, and come disappointed when they realize GOG isn't trying to do that.
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sunshinecorp: Yes, yes, but WHAT ABOUT THE MONEY?
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krokkel: (yes it was the money that lured me to Steam)
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sunshinecorp:
You don't know about the money? I thought everyone knew about the money... Why else have a steam account?
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zeroxxx: As far as I'm aware, every transaction thru online banking needs to be authorized through my physical token.
What Valve do is no different.
You sure love making things more.... dramatic, don't you?
I use online banking about 2-3x a month. And it's my money that on there.
I use Steam every day. And it's only games that's on there.

When I log into my online banking account I enter my user number and my password.
When I log into Steam I enter my name and password and then get asked for a code (every time). That said code only gets generated on the mobile app. I take my tablet, open the Steam app and type the code from there. That applies to every time I log in on any device.

My daily routine:
Start Steam client (it remembers my login), start Idle Master (have to log in there often, sometimes it remembers my login sometimes not, depends on other things). I start Firefox (my main browser), am automatically logged in there. When in need I start Chrome browser and log in Steam there (some fancy addons only work on that browser unfortunately, also I use that browser for all the spammy tasks gleam.io asks me for) - that often causes that I get logged out of Idle Master - so I've to log in there again.
Seems there's a max. # of logins you can have simultaneous. But I'm not sure, what I'm sure is that when I login in Steam via Chrome browser I get logged out of Idle Master. Can happen 0-2x a day.

When I send items to the market (about every 2nd day approx 20 items), they are on hold until I confirmed every single item on my tablet in the Steam app. Man that's so annoying. That's also new since the Steam app. Before nothing needed to be confirmed at all. My items are worth about 6 cent each.

I've to confirm trades with other players too, but luckily not for every single item. It's for the entire trade. That's not a bother, except that I've to use my tablet for that now too - before the Steam app became mandatory I could confirm that via mail.

A user that does not use the Steam app gets a hold time for 1 day, 3 days or 15 days. Depends on how long he's at Steam and what his Steam Guard settings are and what's he wants to do.
That applies for market listings (15 days) as well as for trades between users (1, 3, or 15 days).
If I would refuse to use their mobile app I'd get 15 days hold time on the market, a 1 day hold time for trades between friends and a 3 days hold time for trades between recently added people. Latter one could also be 15 days. Someone else who sent me stuff got a 15 days hold time. Means I get my stuff end of March xD ;_;

1 day is okay, 3 days are annoying, 15 days are... what the hell!
And that's all incl. the confirmation (mail/Steam app - which side uses what is also imporant), Without a confirmation nothing gets traded at all.

And there's even more, but I think it's long enough already.
When I started with Steam none of those restrictions existed. And now it gets more and more. Not all at once, they come in baby steps. But altogether they only show the path how it's going on in the future. More and more or: worse and worse.
On the Steam forum they're already joking about retina scans and blood samples. I wouldn't joke so laud about that.
Many of my friends on Steam are pissed off at Valve at the moment.
Beside those ridiculous security implementations they've still ridiculous security issues. Like there's no confirmation when you - or someone - changes your e-mail in Steam. It gets changed and done with it. Most sites I know would send a link to the old mail to have the change confirmed. Just last week I read on the Steam forum that someone who was at his friend's and they were playing, his friend then changed the mail addy of the other's Steam account to his addy, then the password and logged out - lol. Evil. Shouldn't even be so easily doable, esp. considering the tight security crap Steam uses on other departments.
And then there was this security breach in Dez/Jan when ppl could see the detail page of other users, but not access their own Steam account.

But honestly, this shouldn't be about whether I love to make things dramatic or not. I don't feel comfortable there anymore but since desired alternatives are still lacking I'll remain there until they top it off with another feature. All for security!

And thanks for full quote.
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MightyPinecone: You don't know about the money? I thought everyone knew about the money... Why else have a steam account?
The games I wanted to play were/are cheaper for the Steam platform. But that's not so important now anymore... to me at least.
I got to love other features now.

I used simple past for a reason ^^
Forget the money now.
(Well if you want to make money you can do, but it's tedious, not my field)
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rampancy: It's best to take a step back and ask yourself what you truly value in an online game retail platform. How much do you genuinely value what Steam gives you, vs. the aspects of Steam which bother you?
Well there's still room left for Steam to bother me.
That's why I started this topic now, in a matter of prudence ^^
I don't demand, I ask.

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rampancy: I genuinely don't mean disrespect, but if Steam achievements, Trading Cards, and Steam's cloud features are what you want so much, I'll go out on a limb and say that getting them grafted on to GOG likely isn't going to leave you satisfied.
I asked for achievements and cloud.
Achievements are the thing that satisfy me additional to the entertainment the game itself offers. I like it when that little window pops up and informs me that I got an achievement. I check what other achievements the game has and consider whether I can and want to do it or not.
Some are stupid like: start the game 500x. I don't do that. Some are weird like: jump on 50 droids - but fun to do then. Some are challenging like: finish all levels on hard mode... or: beat the developers best time etc. If I like a game I like to do achievements.

Cloud is comfortable to have.
But I don't even take it in Steam for granted, many games don't support cloud. Esp. the old games, none of those do.

Trading cards are nice but I don't ask for that. It's just like an additional hobby I wouldn't miss.

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rampancy: Because then you'll want more and more of Steam's features brought to GOG (importing your games, GOG offering Steam keys, importing your friends lists, etc.) until you've basically turned GOG into a 1:1 carbon copy of Steam.
I don't even need any of what you listed.
If GOG had global achievements and a cloud for savegames that syncs automatically I'd leave Steam for good. I don't ask for my Steam games to be added here. Wouldn't even make sense to me.