rjbuffchix: While your suggestion for GWENT is good, I still like the idea of just moving GWENT to CDPR's own site (i.e., unlike here which is supposed to be "100% DRM-free").

THESLITHERYDEE: I think it's less trust and more brand loyalty/meeting expectations. I don't trust companies because companies are Lovecraftian monsters with a hundred heads that fall off and grow new ones. But I am more willing to buy games from studios whose games I have enjoyed in the past because statistically they probably did something similar to what I liked the first time.

My advice to people whose faith has been shaken is to stop pre-ordering and buying things before going through the reviews. I wait years before playing games sometimes. There is no shortage of good games, so by the time I get around to the next one it will be all patched up and on sale. Honestly I don't understand how this topic keeps popping back up like black mold.

Turbo-Beaver: And what would those benefits be exactly? "FCKDRM" and offline installers as a token gesture but from now on you either use the launcher with their own flagship game or don't get all the content that is already in it? 30-day refunds that sound great on paper as long as you don't actually try to apply for one yourself (as thousands of testimonies all around the Internet now attest to)? Or is it their "utmost care for customers," as manifested by the lack of even any pretense of customer service because they wanted to do it on the cheap instead of hiring enough staff in preparation for the launch of their most anticipated game?

In a way you're right, there is no other store as duplicitous, pretending to be everything they're not.

Just where would those gains be coming from?

People abandoning Steam, where they already bought most of their games, so that they can try a different flavor of DRM with an inferior launcher, now semi-mandatory, and paying extra for it (never mind the higher prices on GOG)? So that they can enjoy slower downloads in certain regions of the world GOG is supposedly focusing on (e.g. China), and often missing features (see the long list of games that treat GOG customers as second-class)? Enduring all this so that up to "100% of their money" can go to a company now infamous for manipulating reviews, lying about the state of their game, and letting external actors "curate" their platform and delist "hand-picked" games while their customers have to do without even an explanation? Absolutely, people must be flocking in by the droves as we speak to be part of this experience.

Timboli: Honestly I don't know why you are still here if you hate the place so much.

Clearly your sense of the overall logic is being impacted by your emotions which have created blinkers.

My advice, is to take a deep breath, stand back to see the full picture, and then look again, but objectively this time.

Timboli: There is no other store like GOG, that offers its benefits, flawed as it may often be at times, nothing else beats it.

Timboli: Perhaps even losing some of you is a minor loss compared to the gains ...

mqstout: Ideally, even CDPR would get out of the business of harming and exploiting people, and a product like GWENT as it is only exists to exploit people harmfully. Fixing it would show a real course correction, along with leading the industry by example that things can be done right.

THESLITHERYDEE: I think it's less trust and more brand loyalty/meeting expectations. I don't trust companies because companies are Lovecraftian monsters with a hundred heads that fall off and grow new ones. But I am more willing to buy games from studios whose games I have enjoyed in the past because statistically they probably did something similar to what I liked the first time.

Time4Tea: I think the issue is more specifically publicly-owned corporations. More often than not, that change tends to be what starts the downfall. Most game developers do their best work when they are relatively small and privately-owned, because they are allowed to prioritize the art. However, if/when they get bought by a pubic corporation, the priorities immediately change to satisfying shareholders and maximizing profits. The quality of the games almost invariably suffers.

I don't have the dates, but I wouldn't be surprised if the start of the slippage at GOG coincided fairly closely with CDPR going public. Imo, the best thing that could happen for GOG would for it to be sold to a private individual or group that actually believes in DRM-free.

elgonzo: Okay. But how is me diskliking EGS now suddenly inapproriate just because GOG is "shitting on the carpet"?

elgonzo: I disliked EGS and the EGS integration in GOG long before the current GOG affairs. (Note that i said "it made me think then...", referring to the time when EGS was being integrated in Galaxy, and more specifically referring to a comment i made at that time: https://www.gog.com/forum/general_beta_gog_galaxy_2.0/new_store_inside_gog_galaxy_launches_in_test_phase/post62 ).

elgonzo: You seem to believe that i just started to dislike EGS (and Galaxy's EGS integration) because of current GOG events, which is incorrect.

elgonzo: Yes, it goes both ways. I absolutely agree. Yet, you still seem to like sticking to the "it only goes one way, Sweeneys way" theory, while then at the end kinda changing position back to a "it goes both ways" by introducing a secret mysterious squirrel-way of Tencent being able to get their way. Hmm...

And ofcourse any arguments or disputes between Sweeney and Tencent are normally not done in the open (public). This has nothing to do with how the CCP likes to do things at all. Regardless of the company and regardless of the actual shareholders, arguments, disputes, negotions about the direction of a company and/or the personnel of the BoD between large shareholders (and other investors and stakeholders) are usually not public but rather behind closed doors, unless they turn hostile and one party drags the dispute into the open.

toupz111: Lol nice troll, why would someone donate to hong kong? China is the shittest place

RafaelRamus: Don't you mean Taiwan instead of Hong Kong?

Shiznown: You're lucky you're just some asswipe on the internet
Shiznown: Either or, but preferably both.

Zrevnur: According to this post: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/devotion_is_coming_to_gog_on_dec_18th/post908 Epic does (unlike "we are rebels" CDPSA) not bow down to CCP. Reason being Tim Sweeney has control over Epic and not Tencent.
Note A: The link doesnt work - you have to manually go to post #908. (Presumably this is due to forum censorship = moderators deleting posts in the thread which makes the linking buggy.)
Note B: I dont know if the linked post is true. Although I did a little research and found no contradiction.
Note C: Given the current state of GOG I find the hating on Epic inappropriate - assuming the linked post is properly true.

Due to the linking problem I am quoting the full post too: Zrevnur: --

Zrevnur: There is this thread if you dont know it:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/list_of_drmfree_video_games_digital_distributors/page1]https://www.gog.com/forum/general/list_of_drmfree_video_games_digital_distributors/page1[/url]