capricorn1971ad: exactly, law is founded on Torah historically, and when the "law" separates from it's origins it makes itself illegitimate.
it is literally law through lawlessness. there is no justice without truth, only oppression and tyranny.
dtgreene: Nope. Law has existed independently of the Torah and its derivatives.
In particular:
Egypt had laws back in 3000 BCE, and there were laws in ancient Sumeria, Babylon, Greece, India, and China.
For details, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history I also note that, of the ten commandments, several of them are not codified in secular law, as they have no place in a secular legal system (the very first one is one of these), several are things that would be found in any sane legal system (like forbidding murder), and at least one is rather questionable (respecting one's elders can be a problem if said elders don't deserve that respect).
Edit: Even the questionable law about respecting one's elders has shown up independently, in ancient Chinese law.
I have to agree...I don't understand how some religious people seem to regard the ten Commandments as the source of all morality and law, totally ahistorical perspective. Murder and theft is prohibited in most communities that have reached a certain level of complexity, and all the commandments relating to worshipping God should be irrelevant in a modern, secular system of law.
morolf: But Trump certainly comes across as pretty vulgar, and having never held political office he's unqualified to be president like no previous president was.
yogsloth: Please allow me to introduce you to
Ulysses S. Grant.
I don't think that's really comparable, Grant may not have held political office before becoming president but he was a major general in the civil war, and that included a lot of experience with dealing with politicians, leadership under difficult conditions etc. He was an accomplished public servant. Similiarly with Eisenhower. Trump has spent his entire life caring only about his own financial interests. He may still become a decent president, but his qualifications for the office are pretty weak compared to any predecessor I can think of.