guy is obviously a troll (there is other explanation for posting highly idiotic things, but let's stick to trolling) :) There is a war right now so those regions produce pretty much nothing. By his logic Ukraine would be on it's knees by now.

I have nothing against the Russian people on this board.
Everything, literally EVERY FUCKING THING coming from Russia as a state I encounter slightly pisses me off though.
Why are all the soldiers, police officers, whatever not revolting against Putin and his evil comrades?
People always have as much power as others give them and I can't imagine how obvlivious a nation must be to tolerate all this shit... probably quite a lot since there is still so much propaganda going on there that is designed to reach the populatiuon BEFORE they can even start asking questions and the officials somehow seem to think, that it's their job to never think for themselves... great.

You obviously never lived in a communist country before. For example my country still has the same stupid socialist thinking and everybody is poisoned with it and is not able to think by themselves for themselves. Its always the same politics leading the country only with rebranded party names and the puppet candidate for the prime minister is always different but always the same puppeters and they always show the new candidate as the virtue of morality and that shit and people always fall for it. Since we became independent from former Yugoslavia nothing changed and the people are still as stupid as ever.

Actually, I was born in one, although my family got out when I was 3 and it didn't exist anymore when I was 4.
In the former GDR you clearly see the same habits as you mentioned though.
People there are still stuck in the way of thinking they are taught and although this part of the country is the poorest and the wages are way lower there than in the former "Western Germany", people seldomly vote or do anything at all that has something to do with influencing politics.
Communism is a cancer that doesn't vanish and seems to grow back occasionally.

I had no ideea there's so much difference between Germany's regions. I knew there are several dialects, but I thought those dialects are only spoken on the countryside/rural area, while the standard german is known and used by most people.
Funny thing, I sometime wondered why Germany and Austria don't unite themselves.



this^^

Yeah its growing back in my country with force it seems now. I think that my country is probably the only one of the former Yugoslav countries that has organized manifestations/parades with communist simbols, songs and speeches of old party leaders and thousands of people (from 2 million population) attend those things which is insane for a supposedly democratic country (and EU member) and not to talk how very censored our tv and other media is. The internet is also full of propaganda trolls that say that any advice or anything coming from the EU or Germany is bad. Yeah and its not our fault that we are totally indebted to countless hedge fonds and other financial organziations - its all the fault of the west. I mean you need to be really stupid to believe those things. I mean its not as if I can't read data on trading economics or somewhere else its all public today just not on our media. I think EU has no clue about what is going on here or just doesn't give a shit about it.

Just Keep Calm and Carry On.
Why should they revolt? This is theirs leader, they chose him. Majority of population chose him. He is the Chosen One! Ha-ha-ha! =)
I remember that german soldiers back in 1941 were absolutely sure that they are liberating people of USSR from evil Stalin and bolshevik's tyranny. Same story happens again, it seems. Only difference is Putin is the "evil" here.
*Sigh* Fine. I'm waiting for you. Liberate me.
<where is my good old AK?>

Well I don't know about the latter, but with Bavaria it's a special case ;) Obviously German is understood by all, and Bavarians DO speak it. The language barrier is that Bavarians literally have different names for things. And it's not just 1 or 2 things. And if a Bavarian talks casually he or she often has a strong dialect which barely any German understands without subtitles. That doesn't mean they can't speak German if they wanted to ;P But it means you may not understand them even if they do speak German. The large cities have this problem less but you generally can't afford to live in them anyway.

And the final problem is that Bavaria is HIGHLY catholic, the rest of Germany is predominantly atheistic or at least has strict split of church and state. Bavaria does not. There is a cross in every room and the greeting is "Grüß Gott" (Greet God?), and they are very very conservative. (The majority is, not everyone)

Anyhow.. sorry for OT ;) I just meant that just because you hear "Germany" does not mean GERMANY is the same in all 16 federal states, for sure education system is different at the very least, but also culture. Never forget this, culture is different in nearly ALL of the 16 federal states. Yes we are now all Germans, but each region is pretty different. In various federal states you also have minorities, in Brandenburg for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbs who are also part of German culture.

I have no idea how we got to be united as 1 Nation but whatever ;) Thing of my long post is, federal states do not solve your problems if 2 sides hate each other. In Germany the various federal states do not hate each other anymore, they certainly don't all LIKE each other, but nobody is gonna raise weapons or armies anymore. There's simply no point. But this construct was formed by armies, wars, political marriages and deals among kings centuries ago. It's very hard to make this happen in a country like Ukraine. It should have been done just when the Soviet Union fell apart. Now I fear it's too late.

If city like Kiev is "able to sustain itself", Ukraine should've been covered with Kievs by now.
But you have only one, so... it isn't.

Dafuq? Then you remember wrong or only propaganda.
Quite a big chunk of the army including high ranking officers wasn't fond of the politics at all.
Stauffenberg (even you should have heard of that name) wasn't the only one by far and even starting to doubt the decisions and with it ones own loyalty to the states politics was a very big thing back then for soldiers and officers (and still is).

But it seems as though you don't see Stalin as bad and so I can be sure that your brainwashing was completed and every further discussion is senseless.
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Body count ranking:

1st place: Mao Zedong
China (1949-76) Regime Communist Victims 60 million

2nd place: Joseph Stalin
Soviet Union (1929-53) Regime Communist Victims 40 million

3rd place Adolf Hitler
Germany (1933-45) Regime Nazi dictatorship Victims 30 million

Putin may have a hard time getting into the top three, but he sure is trying for quite a while now to "honor" his predecessors and as former KGB he has the right mindset.

So, basically this means you will not liberate me from evil Putin? I'm disappointed. :'(

That Stalin figure has been thoroughly debunked. Which doesn't make Stalin nice, of course, just less bad than was thought.

(It's primarily because the soviets actually kept accurate records on certain things which are now open to scrutiny rather than the old estimates which were based on guesswork; and frequently propaganda needs. The infamous gulags killed 'only' a million or so people over around two decades for example when previous estimates were in some cases into tens of millions. You still get massive estimates, but they rely on statistical trickery- usually they either include all soviet deaths in WW2 as counting against Stalin or count 'demographic effects', ie take x deaths and multiply them by y due to the children they would have had, something they then refuse to do for others. That's ridiculous and ends up with stuff like Stalin having killed 1/4 of his population before Hitler even invades because a large proportion are 'theoretical' people rather than actual people. Even the 'Black Book of Communism' has Hitler killing more people than Stalin- and it's written specifically as anti communist propaganda. Most estimates come out at around 20 million or less, now. Still bad, but not as bad.)

Main source, no. Disproportionate source? Sure. On a GDP contribution basis they produced around 20% more than the Ukrainian average, to whit; total Ukr pop2010 >48 million, Donbass pop2010 <7 million, Donbass GDP contribution ~17%, population proportion ~14%. All publically available and easily verifiable figures, eg census info and Reuters which also lists the drop in output due to the conflict and its effect on overall output.

What about Lviv, Kharkiv, Lutsk, Dnipropertovsk and a shit-ton of other cities that can exist without help from a budget (http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/265543/mif_o_donetskih_kormiltsah_bolshe_vsego_dotatsiyi_vydelyayut_donbassu_i_kievu_infografika) unlike Luhansk and Donetsk ?
You're either trolling really hard or or have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Either way it's still amusing and fun so go on :)

Region, which exports more than it imports, is profitable.
http://www.ukrstat.gov.ua/operativ/operativ2013/zd/oet/oet_r/oet1213_r.html

I'm not German but I lived in Germany for many years and I understand this. I didn't feel like I was living in one big happy Germany. While traveling around the country, I noticed huge differences between the German states. I came to see Germany as a country with 16 smaller countries inside of it. It's kind of like that in the USA too but the borders are more blurred here.