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Matruchus: There is just one thing about the referendum that came out now. In Sevastopol there are officialy 385,462 people registered as voters. People voting there by data from referendum 474,137. Where did the additional voters come from. 123% voters voting WTF!
Bring a friend with you - get a free bonus ballot list. They just tried to promote it, dont take it so seriously. Also independent far-right-wing antifascist deputies from EU, who was observers there didnt noticed any problem with it.
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DarzaR: Now its way more important what your moron Avakov is trying to collect the "illegal firearms" from the people. Hope he's simply incompetent and not worse.
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AzureKite: He is indeed incompetent. It should've been done 3 weeks ago.
You mean disarmament? Or legalisation? If you mean first - it would outshine even the language law indeed.
Post edited March 17, 2014 by DarzaR
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AzureKite: Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia demanded/proposed (whatever you like) to hold a referendum about federalisation, second official language and military neutrality. Now these pricks demand what and how to do in this country. Great. Maybe they want to prepare the new constitution for Ukraine themselves, move in their army and overlook the referendum. *sigh* Giving away nuclear warheads in 90s was a mistake...
It was not a mistake at that time when Russia was led by drunkard Jelcin but Putin is another matter.
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Matruchus: There is just one thing about the referendum that came out now. In Sevastopol there are officialy 385,462 people registered as voters. People voting there by data from referendum 474,137. Where did the additional voters come from. 123% voters voting WTF!
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DarzaR: Bring a friend with you - get a free bonus ballot list. They just tried to promote it, dont take it so seriously. Also independent far-right-wing antifascist deputies from EU, who was observers there didnt noticed any problem with it.
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AzureKite: He is indeed incompetent. It should've been done 3 weeks ago.
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DarzaR: You mean disarmament? Or legalisation? If you mean first - it would outshine even the language law indeed.
Get a free bonus ballot list are you kidding me. Is this voting or lottery. And besides there were no observers from UN there since they were not allowed to set foot on Crimea.
Post edited March 17, 2014 by Matruchus
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Matruchus: It was not a mistake at that time when Russia was led by drunkard Jelcin but Putin is another matter.
I just hope what you're not interested in local SLO politics and not trying to a interfere with it in any way. Or the country could be in real trouble later or sooner.
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Matruchus: It was not a mistake at that time when Russia was led by drunkard Jelcin but Putin is another matter.
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DarzaR: I just hope what you're not interested in local SLO politics and not trying to a interfere with it in any way. Or the country could be in real trouble later or sooner.
You know it is really pointless all of your attempts to redirect the topic. Since you think NK is a democracy it is really no use talking to you anymore.
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Matruchus: Get a free bonus ballot list are you kidding me. Is this voting or lottery. And besides there were no observers from UN there since they were not allowed to set foot on Crimea.
http://rt.com/news/international-observers-crimea-referendum-190/ - why you constantly trying to pretend to know better? Usually such behavior is dropped after one mistake, max two.
Reuters news ageny reports now that there is evidence that some of the ballots on Crimea referendum arrived pre-marked in several cities and other anomalies have also been reported. Do anybody really think that any person also observers (if they were there at all) on Crimea would dare to tell russian state TV RT that not everything was ok with the referendum. OSCE did not send any observers since referendum was deemed as illegal by international law so there were no official, legal observers there.
Post edited March 17, 2014 by Matruchus
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Matruchus: Reuters news ageny reports now that their is evidence that some of the ballots on Crimea referenudm arrived pre-marked in several cities and other anomalies have also been reported. Do anybody really think that any person also observes (if they were there at all) on Crimea would dare to tell russian state TV RT that not everything was ok with the referendum.
See what is problem with you what still looks to elude from you no matter what? You pretend to know what is bullshit and what is surely not. When you get facts what you think wrong, you trying to derail things somewhere else and "forget" your own words sayd just minuts ago. And if you do research who are those people, the mere existence of whom you declared "impossible", just because you know all about the stuff going on so good, even about NK, you will see what your idea about "would anybody really think they would dare" is wrong too.

FRA - Aymeric Chauprade; HU - Bela Kovacz; SRB - Zoran Radonchich, Milenko Baboraz; Srdja Trifkovic; GR - Charlampos Angurakis; BUL - Ivan Abazher, Kiril Kolev, Pavel Chernev; ISP - Enrike Ravello; ITA - Fabrizio Berto; AUS - Johan Stadler, Johann Gudenus, Johannes Hübner; POL - Matheus Piskorski; LAT - Tatiane Zhdanok; BEL - Frank Krayenmalman; GER - Al Sabty - some of the people who's existence you simply denied. So its not surprize what Mr. Trifkovic say to you in return - "In 1991 Croatia and Slovenia held illegal referenda to secede from Yugoslavia and by the end of that year the European Union recognized them as independent states. etc..".
Post edited March 17, 2014 by DarzaR
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AzureKite: He is indeed incompetent. It should've been done 3 weeks ago.
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DarzaR: You mean disarmament? Or legalisation? If you mean first - it would outshine even the language law indeed.
What? Disarmament in a country where firearms are not legalized, except for police and such, would outshine language law? Really.
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AzureKite: Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia demanded/proposed (whatever you like) to hold a referendum about federalisation, second official language and military neutrality. Now these pricks demand what and how to do in this country. Great. Maybe they want to prepare the new constitution for Ukraine themselves, move in their army and overlook the referendum. *sigh* Giving away nuclear warheads in 90s was a mistake...
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Matruchus: It was not a mistake at that time when Russia was led by drunkard Jelcin but Putin is another matter.
That drunkard sent a tank to Parliament and thousands of his soldiers to a meat grinder in Chechnya.
Post edited March 17, 2014 by AzureKite
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DarzaR: You mean disarmament? Or legalisation? If you mean first - it would outshine even the language law indeed.
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AzureKite: What? Disarmament in a country where firearms are not legalized, except for police and such, would outshine language law? Really.
In a given circumstances it would severely outshine in stupidity even that notorious language law, essentially.

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Matruchus: It was not a mistake at that time when Russia was led by drunkard Jelcin but Putin is another matter.
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AzureKite: That drunkard sent a tank to Parliament and thousands of his soldiers to a meat grinder in Chechnya.
The whole initial quote is a pure obvious nonsense.
Post edited March 17, 2014 by DarzaR
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DarzaR: http://rt.com/news/international-observers-crimea-referendum-190/ - why you constantly trying to pretend to know better? Usually such behavior is dropped after one mistake, max two.
Why do you?
Fact: there IS and was NO official observer mission.
Facts:
- the Eurasian Observatory for Democracy and Elections (EODE) from the belgian far-right political activist Luc Michel invited those mentioned in your above article.
- the same organisation declares on its website that it shares the values of “the current Russian leadership and V.V. Putin.”
- in Crimea itself, it was the self-proclaimed crimean government who drove them from place to place.
(Source: new republic)
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Siannah: Why do you?
Fact: there IS and was NO official observer mission.
Facts:
- the Eurasian Observatory for Democracy and Elections (EODE) from the belgian far-right political activist Luc Michel invited those mentioned in your above article.
- the same organisation declares on its website that it shares the values of “the current Russian leadership and V.V. Putin.”
- in Crimea itself, it was the self-proclaimed crimean government who drove them from place to place.
(Source: new republic)
Now get back and read my initial post (#721). Seriously, if you all the time replying only on last posts, you get into such problems.
Post edited March 17, 2014 by DarzaR
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DarzaR: Now get back and read my initial post (#721). Seriously, if you all the time replying only on last posts, you get into such problems.
Seriously, if I should take "far-right-wing antifascist deputies" serious, I commit to an asylum on my own.
I saw your explanation with the bring a friend get a free bonus ballot list. I also saw you mention to not take it so seriously. How the hell could anyone?

Yet you turn around, claiming international observers were present, pointing to a source using them for what they were brought in - trying to paint the whole thing as legit, despit the cracks and holes.

So to not inflate it more then needed, I'll offer a compromise:
The crimean voting was legitimate by russian, syrian and northkorean standards, but not by anyone elses. Deal?
Post edited March 17, 2014 by Siannah
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DarzaR: Now get back and read my initial post (#721). Seriously, if you all the time replying only on last posts, you get into such problems.
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Siannah: Seriously, if I should take "far-right-wing antifascist deputies" serious, I commit to an asylum on my own.
I saw your explanation with the bring a friend get a free bonus ballot list. I also saw you mention to not take it so seriously. How the hell could anyone?

Yet you turn around, claiming international observers were present, pointing to a source using them for what they were brought in - trying to paint the whole thing as legit, despit the cracks and holes.

So to not inflate it more then needed, I'll offer a compromise:
The crimean voting was legitimate by russian, syrian and northkorean standards, but not by anyone elses. Deal?
Man, its totally up to you how you take them. If you want to discuss how you take them - then you do so. But you dont say "there was no observers", because its a purely lie in this case. Also if you reply to somebody else post - you reply to the words what was there, not to some images in your head they turned after going through prism of your imagination. Because you start to answer to me trying to disprove the "trying of painting the whole thing as legit" as i see, and moreover presenting some "compromise" with "my position" what exist only in your own head. Please, c\p my exact words you're trying to disprove now, again. As you can see - when i want to do it - i c\p them and show what they are incorrect. And you are trying to disprove your own ideas what you are attributing to me, how could it be called communication? Communication is a work of 2.
Also proposed list from your "deal" is definitely not complete, dunno if its matter for you or not.
All im trying to make you understand by now - what its non-constructive to discuss anything when you just jump in at some random time point, clearly expressing what you have no glue about discussion around, and present some fantasies about it as arguments. You just make your position non-relevant, even if its occasionally correct.
Post edited March 17, 2014 by DarzaR
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DarzaR: You mean disarmament? Or legalisation? If you mean first - it would outshine even the language law indeed.
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AzureKite: What? Disarmament in a country where firearms are not legalized, except for police and such, would outshine language law? Really.
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Matruchus: It was not a mistake at that time when Russia was led by drunkard Jelcin but Putin is another matter.
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AzureKite: That drunkard sent a tank to Parliament and thousands of his soldiers to a meat grinder in Chechnya.
Yeah you are right he did order tanks to shoot on Bely dom in order to take control of Russia, after he illegally disasolved the parliament. I totally forgot about that.
Post edited March 17, 2014 by Matruchus
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Matruchus: Yeah you are right he did order tanks to shoot on Bely dom in order to take control of Russia, after he illegally disasolved the parliament. I totally forgot about that.
Well, parliament impeached him in responce. You just concentrate on "legality" too much all the time, just as the people who are defending Mr. Yanukovich position now. Laws are subject of changes, they are often not working, or have severe flaws, which enable to exploits, they could be simply bad or meaningless. Some action could be easily classified as legal and illegal even at the same time, not even talking about historic perspective.
Post edited March 17, 2014 by DarzaR