http://goo.gl/ElJ8R5

Here, googled "Российские солдаты в украине" for you. Pick any link you like.

Although, i've 100% positive that none of the links will suit you - as you stated before "there are no uncensored UA or western media" so it has to be confirmed by Putin itself to work for you:)

You shouldn't have cancer then, since I am not an idiot, unlike you who are an utter retard.

You live in a different county than mine and Ukraine and you're a moron with a weapon and tons of vodka, especially in Siberia. My point stands.

Oh, even more proof that you're a retard with a weapon in a different country. Glad we got that sorted.

You're not what? Oh, that is funny. You're literally the most national socialist person here. All about your country, justifying every little shit it did, does and will do. Grow a back bone and see your own hypocrisy.

You called Gremlion a "dumb fuck" (or something like that, nonetheless very offensive) because "he doesn't know meaning of Na-Zi".
8 hours later you edit your post and say "Oh, that is funny.".

I saw what you did there, russophobe.

Heh, this little idiot said that I called Klumpen nazi, and that's why I'm dumb.
I'm going to ignore him, this "wonder of economic science" can't even read properly.

He still doesn't know the meaning, retard. I just changed it to something "less" offensive and more to the subject at hand since changing the topic from how corrupt Russia is to what the definition of what national socialism is is entirely off the point. I like to keep it tot he level where I get to decimate your beliefs. So yes, you saw correctly. What does the prove?

Oh, I didn't know I was a russophobe for combating stupidity. Tell me, are all Russians all retards like you? I met quite a few decent ones, ironically all immigrants. Do yourself a favor and stop victimizing yourself.
You do realize Kulmp is from Germany and you were talking about nazism while implying everyone who believes West's lies is one, don't you, retarded moron with a gun?
Learn the difference between nationalism and national socialism, you dumb retard.

There's no indication in Klump's post or anyone against Russia's expansionist agenda that they are national socialists, yet you imply that everyone who believes the obvious truth about your country is a national socialist. Here's the proof, moron:

"I'm not a national socialist, I simply know a lot about history, which had national-socialistic period, which is quite popular theme here. "

Before you call anyone a nazi ( literal abbreviation of national socialist) learn what the actual words mean, incompetent.
What exactly does knowing a lot about history, censored version of history, mind you, and the existence of national socialism in recent history, have anything to do with anybody's beliefs around the world? Exactly nothing. Crawl back to your hole.

"And, yes, you do. You are taking pro-Kiev stance in civil war without learning anything about sides.
You are ok with West ruining Ukraine while puppet government in Kiev kills people on the East as smokescreen "Russian invasion".
"Invasion" which can't do a jack in a year, ok. "

Really? You're not calling who what exactly? I'm dumb for not reading correctly or are you the faggot who can't properly write coherent sentences in English? Don't answer. It's a rhetorical question. Everybody here already knows you're an illiterate.
National socialism at its finest. Just like Hitler liked to blame the Jews for the state of Germany, you blame the entire world for the shit that your country is in. You're pathetic.

"Maybe drop down hysteria and prejudice and find some facts for me which "censored Russian media" don't show? "

You know what? Maybe I'll actually start being prejudicial towards your people. The majority of you seem to have just too many dysfunctional neurons. I blame it on the abundance of vodka.

Let me explain you my point of view. Personally I see myself as libertarian and I'm not a fan od Russia and Putin's policy, however in this conflict - civil war supported by west and east - I'm much more on Novorossiya side. First of all I don't see any single point in joining Ukraine to EU, especially with armed nationalists from both sides, russian-backed uprising probably saved us from this problem, we have other, inner and more serious ones like constant financial crisis and debt. Secondly - you (Ukraininans) called Yanukovych bloody dictator back then in 2013, how will you call Poroshenko now? Forcefully mobilizing young people into the army and sending them for death and to kill other citizens? As a libertarian I can't support such barbarity, you can't win with professional soldiers and volunteers? Oh well, so just give up, human lives are worth more than some piece of shitty, destroyed land. And why the hell do you attack them? You should just protect them from further military expansion and run honest voting on eastern side - let them just choose in democratic way where will they live. I don't like Ukraine and RF but in such situation I would choose Russia for sure... Last but not least - range of ukrainian lies and propaganda is just immense, I'm trying to observe this conflict from every possible site and sorry, but russian propaganda is just much better documented and usually tells what really happens. OK, Russia for sure supports their people, but it's Ukraine who trained them in their own army (forcefully, as Givi jokes), it's Ukraine who equipped their military units and arms industry. You can't just say, that you're the power, and they would be defenceless without Russia. Real war with Russia would end on polish border in like 3 days... Let me give you an advice: do you really want to repair your country and follow the way to wester welfare? So just cut off this soviet tumor and start doing something with economy before rest of your citizens ask Putin for help. That's all. Thx for reading.

what a pile of bullshit :) was going to comment on it until i've got to part about forceful mobilizations and truthful russian propaganda. Just another fake account apparently. What a dumb way to prove something.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I was irritated when this topic got dug up. Well, not much to be done about it now.
I'll leave here a compilation of photos from Ukraine. The first part is mainly Ukrainian armed forces, the second is mostly Donbass army.

I likely shouldn't be posting in this trainwreck of a thread, but I am strangely curious :( How will our Russian friends explain away this little interview?

http://www.novayagazeta.ru/society/67490.html

(that guy is a Russian soldier who got sent to Ukraine, was injured there, etc, and gives a fairly detailed account of the entire thing)

He gave too detailed info and got caught on lies.
1. Tank battalions had 31 tanks during USSR. Russia increased amount to 32 tanks. Ukraine - no.
2. After reading his descriptions of the road locals said that
a)He described road as "villages, then big city", he didn't mention big city along the way. True road "villages, city, villages, city"
b)He says that specific village was 70% pro-official, while it almost 100% pro-russian.
c)mortars couldn't reach mentioned park, and according to locals there were no mortar shooting in described timeframe.
d)Big church he could've seen from one specific street, and locals haven't seen tanks on it.

So, this text is written by Ukrainian and given for publication to this newspaper, photo conveniently hides face and there is no audio record.
Newspaper is pretty mediocre and regularly gets sued for falsifications
20 links in one ref: http://preview.tinyurl.com/l8yukv7

Sure, fake account made in 2013 with 48 games in library x.x. Anyway I'm not going to argue there with anyone (noone pays me for it to waste my time ._.), just explainted how do I see this whole eastern brawl. You can of course fight there till the complete destruction of Ukraine and scream everywhere that's Russians fault, but will it really help your country? Ok, if it's Russia who attacked you - just be more clever, because war isn't about dying, it's about winning in long run (Poland hasn't been on the map for 123 years and suprise - we are back). Let Russians take over and rebuild Novorossiya and take it back after bankrupcy of RF. :P

I respect your views, but every time I see someone claiming to be a libertarian I have to remind them that Libertarianism is a political philosophy, not science, hence why it holds greater risk than already tested political systems.

It's an economic thing. Russia is still a superpower, yet it is poorer than countries which are not.

What problem exactly? I only see expansionist views, unnecessary deaths, and decade long grudges.

And how does this "civil" war exactly solve these issues? It only further deters from them.

This I am not familiar with, so I won't comment on it. I am not aware of what you are talking about here.

I guess this is where the term "civil" joins the war part. While I don't agree with the practice, take it with a grain of salt, all civil wars, or wars in general for that matter, were like that.

You delve into some uncharted territory here. While it is true, human lives are valuable, you may talk about people who had their entire lives taken once with their territory. It is the basic principle of fighting for your homeland and not allowing yourself being pushed around. Would you call the First War of Scottish Independence or the American Civil War as being barbarities?

Yeah, here's the issue with libertarianism. Countries are not ran like that. If they want to be ran by someone else, their option is immigration. By taking territory away you are breaking the Constitution, which pretty much brands you as a criminal.

I don't agree with any of it. While I admire the courtesy and civil tone, I can't say I see your points, but that is just me as an individual. Having traveled far and long through both Americas and European countries, I definitely don't agree with the action of seceding territory just because the opposition is backed by bigger guns. This type of mentality would have rendered the entire eastern Europe defenseless against the Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years, but people fight for what they believe in, and I think just like you, as a libertarian, seek further freedoms, their freedom for fighting should also be respected. They would not fight if they didn't feel like it. Just like the Germans soldiers got bored of fighting in WW1 and caused Germany to admit defeat, so could the Ukrainians do, yet they don't.

That region isn't inhabited with russians ethnics only. There are NOT 100% people in that region who want to be independent, autonomous or join Russian Federation. How many are pro government? 50%? 40%? 60%? Should Kiev just abandon them because part of that population took up arms and say they want other things?

How could an honest voting be run on eastern side? The region is under control of rebels who don't necesary represent the will of the majority. Lots of FSB agents are probably infiltrated in the area.
If I were a Donetsk local and I did a non-violent protest, like marching on the streets with a pancart "NO TO RUSSIA"
I would be shot in the face and they would blame it on Kiev army. And nobody would care.

Whole region should be demilitarized, UN forces should be the peacekeeping force (including russian troops, but under UN command). People who fled the region could return and only then a referendum could be run.

During peace times was less than 30. [url=http://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ukraine_ElectionsMap_2010-1.svg]http://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ukraine_ElectionsMap_2010-1.svg[/url]
Typical distribution of voters, blue was 'not anti-russian' candidate.
When Kiev started bombing East for not liking ban of Russian language I suppose they lost even more supporters.
Though, you miss major layer. Problems are not In ethnic, they are mainly economical. To put things on perspective, there are ten times more people in Ukraine than in Greece with lesser total GDP. EU dumped billions into Greece, it would take trillions to bring ukraine to at least current Greece level.
Simply not going happen. All this rhetoric 'they want to join our EU family and evil russians don't let them' looks silly when you take into account possible Grexit and chances for Britain leaving it too.
What exactly they wanted? Visaless enter? Woo, 100 euro is the sum which is worth selling own country for.