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dnovraD: More damningly though is Ubuntu taking a LTS and then making their own LTS, (…)
This is not how Ubuntu LTS is built, at all.

There are many problems with their system, like targeting for their LTS builds the only Debian branch with no security support, but unlike what you suggest what they use as a base provides packages as fresh as what you would get with Arch Linux or Gentoo.
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vv221: This is not how Ubuntu LTS is built, at all.

There are many problems with their system, like targeting for their LTS builds the only Debian branch with no security support, but unlike what you suggest what they use as a base provides packages as fresh as what you would get with Arch Linux or Gentoo.
I thought those were just a bunch of glorified backports, like how Mint doesn't pack Sane, but Ubuntu Massive Molar does.
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dnovraD: (…)
Regular Ubuntu releases, with 6 months of support, are built from a snapshot of Debian unstable.
LTS Ubuntu releases, with 5 years of support, are built from a snapshot of Debian testing (this is, in my opinion, a bad idea).

No Ubuntu release is built upon Debian stable.
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vv221: Regular Ubuntu releases, with 6 months of support, are built from a snapshot of Debian unstable.
LTS Ubuntu releases, with 5 years of support, are built from a snapshot of Debian testing (this is, in my opinion, a bad idea).

No Ubuntu release is built upon Debian stable.
Ah, well. The more you learn, but it's still not a policy of packaging I enjoy.
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Dawnsinger: With IPv4 you had to have NAT, which auto-shielded everything unless it's configured to properly forward it, so you are fully isolated unless explicitly configured otherwise (and even then it hits ony device only).
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Gede: I see that you deposit a lot of trust on your routers. I am using the device my ISP provided me, which I'm convinced to be the cheapest model they were able to get that matched their specification.
The configuration UI shows lots of fancy useless features but it does not allow me to forward a port range! I am not convinced their focus was well placed.
I may get another router behind this machine to create another road block in case of intrusion. Sadly, I don't have much knowledge or time for such a project done right.
And you're fully correct on that assumption: it usually is the cheapest and most low-spec model the manufacturer offers, sometimes they don't even offer that model to the general public at all (many providers provide you with choice though: premium router for an added monthly fee). Yet, that cheapness does not take away the inherent "roadblock" benefit that NAT gives, whereas it indirectly is important when it comes to IPv6: the manufacturer needs to provide good and long-term security support for this model. Feature-wise or technical superiority means nothing if the manufacturer won't fix security issues, and some stop supporting the previous lineup as soon as there's a new one. Luckily, the provider itself also has a mild interest in keeping your routers secure, not only for reputation but also because they have to pay for outgoing traffic, so if their routers become attack bots, their revenue goes down, so you're more likely to get a new router than being left with an unpatched one (if it's a provider-provided router). Obviously, that depends on the state and mindset the provider is in.

The use of a RasPi as a dedicated firewall Shmacky-McNuts mentioned will indeed go a long way regarding the misconfigured router firewall. It also helps in case the router itself becomes compromised. With IPv4, I feel it's not all that important, but when IPv6 can't be avoided anymore, I'll likely do that. I'm certain there's at least one specialized Linux or BSD distro for exactly that purpose, but of course it's yet another device that needs updates, and electricity and could fail. Plus, when adding firewall rules, you have then three firewalls to reconfigure: router, RasPi and desktop.

Anyway, your port forwarding page missing is not because of router cheapness, but because of either:

1) you're on some kind of CGNAT, which is a NAT done on the providers side just as you'd normally do on your end if your provider has enough IPv4 addresses (many younger providers don't: they were late to the party and the pool was exhausted already (that's the whole reason of IPv6's existance)). You cannot port forward behind a CGNAT, so that config page is not shown in that case.

2) you're on an exclusively IPv6 line: there is no port forwarding in IPv6, only blocking, allowing and passing through of ports in the firewall rules. But that situation is unlikely.

3) Also, many providers remote manage your router, especially cable providers, so that may also block PF (though it's not for technical reasons)

I'd bet on 1), anyway.
Post edited January 24, 2025 by Dawnsinger
While my aging rig could handle Win11, I'm simply not interested with all its regressions, stupid changes for changes' sake, and dumb new features nobody asked for. I wouldn't be surprised if the idiots at MS doubled down on all that and their AI shenanigans for the eventual Win12.

I'm likely to keep using Win10 until I'm ready to upgrade to a brand new system... which might not happen for another 5 years or so. There just haven't been any really big enough advancements in hardware (since I got this PC in 2019) for me to even consider such a move thus far.

At that point Linux might be an even more viable option than it already is, but I'm not jumping onto that just yet. I keep meaning to give it an honest try, but obviously I'm not in a hurry to do so. Heh.
Windows 10 was terrible, the last good windows was windows 7.
No it's the best case scenario.

F**k Win10. DESERVED.

police state fantasy Windows 11 that nobody likes.
That's started with Windows 10 pal (if not Win8).

And I like 11. Much better than that glitchy buggy laggy minimalistic 10.
Post edited January 25, 2025 by VBProject
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Nutty_the_Squirrel: stop being such drama queens, windows 10 won't magically turn into a virus-infested shithole the moment microsoft pulls the plug on it, just ask the people that still use windows xp, vista and 7
I bet OP was one of those extreme Win10 fanbois, sitting on some high-horse, telling us Win7 users to "stop using unsupported old junk and upgrade for security".

Well follow your own advise, OP.
Post edited January 25, 2025 by VBProject
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Raf-c: Windows 10 was terrible, the last good windows was windows 7.
I'm not praising any Windows, I just dont want the extreme.
The worst of that is that developers will stop supporting W10 like they did with W7 before, so that fewer and fewer games will end up running on ones machines. That is the reason why I'm considering to eventually "upgrade" to W10. DirectX12 support is required for many, and even though Gord states it only uses DX11, it depends on some directx12 .dll so it still does not run on W7 even though it could likely be compiled to do so by just linking to the true dircxt11 .dlls instead.

If MS was content with just cashing in on 90% of all newly sold computers, plus their cloud services, their AI services and their corporate support contracts, then they could indeed stop inventing new ways to make Windows worse and more intrusive and instead put this effort into making it secure, stable, customisable and fast, IOW: good. But the're not, so they don't.
Post edited January 27, 2025 by Dawnsinger
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Dawnsinger: The worst of that is that developers will stop supporting W10 like they did with W7 before, so that fewer and fewer games will end up running on ones machines. That is the reason why I'm considering to eventually "upgrade" to W10. DirectX12 support is required for many, and even though Gord states it only uses DX11, it depends on some directx12 .dll so it still does not run on W7 even though it could likely be compiled to do so by just linking to the true dircxt11 .dlls instead.
I don't know if I have any games that actually make use of anything in advance of dx10, but I do know this: Wine + DXVK does cover a lot of those gaps. All the way up to dx11!

Course' that's a bit of a drastic solution, I understand.
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dnovraD: Wine + DXVK does cover a lot of those gaps. All the way up to dx11!
And thanks to vkd3d, we have support for Direct3D 12 too ;)
Post edited 5 days ago by vv221
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Geromino: As probably most people here know, Windows 10 will no longer be supported by Microsoft later this year, and we'll all be forced to switch to the police state fantasy Windows 11 that nobody likes.

What are your plans for this ?

Obviously with Windows 10 you can no longer be online without being a massive security risk.

Nevermind that older computers may not even be able to do this switch.
I got Windows 11 on my newest gaming laptop PC; that'll stay the same.

As for W10 PC's - might either leave them alone (if possible) or maybe finally install LinuxOS or SteamOS on most of those desktops and laptops.

I do have a W10 gaming PC with RTX 3070 - so, not sure what I'll do w/ that one.
Post edited 5 days ago by MysterD
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dnovraD: I don't know if I have any games that actually make use of anything in advance of dx10, but I do know this: Wine + DXVK does cover a lot of those gaps. All the way up to dx11!

Course' that's a bit of a drastic solution, I understand.
Not as drastic as it may sound, but I can't bring myself to installing proprietary kernel modules on my Linux. At least it seems that both the AMD and the Nvidia drivers still aren't opensource. Closed source firmware is one thing, but kernel modules are something else entirely.