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Zimerius: The Amber series written by Roger Zelazny, this is not a classical fantasy tale but pretty entertaining all in all.
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WinterSnowfall: The special effects budget for a live-action adaptation of The Chronicles of Amber would be... a sight to behold :P.

Roger Zelazny is so underrated in general, whereas if people were actually into a more intellectual adventure-oriented (as opposed to action-oriented) kind of "Marvel superhero" movie, most of his books would fit the bill perfectly. The "gods" have problems too, and they don't always solve them by swinging hammers around :P.
Well the gods do solve all their problems by swinging hammers around if they're known for being the god you never go to for wisdom and have a reputation for solving their personal issues by hitting things.

Although I do know what you're referring to Corwin is someone that you could go to for wisdom as even when there are threats of violence (I'm thinking of things like when he's escaping the hospital in the first book), he is still able to solve things without actually resorting to it.
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WinterSnowfall: The special effects budget for a live-action adaptation of The Chronicles of Amber would be... a sight to behold :P.

Roger Zelazny is so underrated in general, whereas if people were actually into a more intellectual adventure-oriented (as opposed to action-oriented) kind of "Marvel superhero" movie, most of his books would fit the bill perfectly. The "gods" have problems too, and they don't always solve them by swinging hammers around :P.
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Catventurer: Well the gods do solve all their problems by swinging hammers around if they're known for being the god you never go to for wisdom and have a reputation for solving their personal issues by hitting things.

Although I do know what you're referring to Corwin is someone that you could go to for wisdom as even when there are threats of violence (I'm thinking of things like when he's escaping the hospital in the first book), he is still able to solve things without actually resorting to it.
Oh yea, and when he uses his wit to outsmart his (then unknown) sister after his escape!!
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Zimerius: The Amber series written by Roger Zelazny, this is not a classical fantasy tale but pretty entertaining all in all.
No worries. I seem to recall I read a short story or three of his in the long distant past and not any novels.

Roger Zelazny is certainly one of the golden oldies.

Too many great authors, not enough hours in a life to read them all. And now the market is flooded with Indie authors, many of who are great too, but it is just so overwhelming, and a lot is not that good. I follow way too many authors as it is, so I just rely on happenstance for any new authors, and don't actively seek them out. Somehow I still acquire plenty.

I find it hard to keep up with what I've got, and have still only read the first Witcher book so far.
Post edited January 02, 2023 by Timboli
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Zimerius: The Amber series written by Roger Zelazny, this is not a classical fantasy tale but pretty entertaining all in all.
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Timboli: No worries. I seem to recall I read a short story or three of his in the long distant past and not any novels.

Roger Zelazny is certainly one of the golden oldies.

Too many great authors, not enough hours in a life to read them all. And now the market is flooded with Indie authors, many of who are great too, but it is just so overwhelming, and a lot is not that good. I follow way too many authors as it is, so I just rely on happenstance for any new authors, and don't actively seek them out. Somehow I still acquire plenty.

I find it hard to keep up with what I've got, and have still only read the first Witcher book so far.
Thank goodness, now i can stop pondering if i should add links or reviews to the already so far of the path taken blood origin discussion. For your & and maybe other participants benefit;-) ofc.

I have to say, i benefitted myself too. For some reason, one of the greats came popping up during my attempts of writing a witty response - see the failure? - namely - the Worm Ouroboros. I just now found( after opening google to se if i remembered the writers name correct) out that this classic is more or less a prequel to three other novels written by the master E.R. Eddison himself and compared favourably to Mervyn Peake’s Gormenghast. tbh though, i did pick up the Gormenghast trilogy once on a book convention, not knowing about how it is perceived, but men. That was a strange, weird novel. Never managed to finish. The style felt so out of bounds with what i was used too. Anyway, i would gladly spend money on such a pursuit then give any new writer a decent chance.
I guess, if you want a decent sci fi or fantasy read you should really stay away from the modern day.

With that said, i also just located the witcher books, decently priced 8 - 10 hours read, curious to see how they will 'perform'
Post edited January 02, 2023 by Zimerius
Personally, I don't think any adaptation can be so bad as to ruin the original work that came before it. That being said, I still have no interest in watching Blood Origin. Even less so after finding out Henry left The Witcher show due to disagreements with the writers. That's a massive red flag.
The Witcher Netflix series was great but it's dead to me now. I'd rather spend my time enjoying something worthwhile like finally reading the books.
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Zimerius: Thank goodness, now i can stop pondering if i should add links or reviews to the already so far of the path taken blood origin discussion. For your & and maybe other participants benefit;-) ofc.
Yes we have gone too far off-topic. Sorry about that folks.
If you want to continue with our discussion after this reply, maybe start another thread. That said, this is your thread.

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Zimerius: I have to say, i benefitted myself too. For some reason, one of the greats came popping up during my attempts of writing a witty response - see the failure? - namely - the Worm Ouroboros. I just now found( after opening google to se if i remembered the writers name correct) out that this classic is more or less a prequel to three other novels written by the master E.R. Eddison himself and compared favourably to Mervyn Peake’s Gormenghast. tbh though, i did pick up the Gormenghast trilogy once on a book convention, not knowing about how it is perceived, but men. That was a strange, weird novel. Never managed to finish. The style felt so out of bounds with what i was used too. Anyway, i would gladly spend money on such a pursuit then give any new writer a decent chance.
I guess, if you want a decent sci fi or fantasy read you should really stay away from the modern day.
I've read the Worm Ouroboros, but not sure if I finished it at the time, way back when, because as good or weird as it was, it was a tougher read than the Lord Of The Rings. I intend to read it again one day, as well as the trilogy. Both have been sitting in my bookcase for years.

I've also read Gormenghast, and loved it. Very funny and gloomy and gothic and science fantasy and weirdness all rolled into one. A true classic and total masterpiece.

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Zimerius: With that said, i also just located the witcher books, decently priced 8 - 10 hours read, curious to see how they will 'perform'
Alas my youngest son owns the books, and he is still stuck on Book 2, has been for years now ... lost his reading Mojo and would rather play games. Recently he has said I can now read it any time I want, but other books have my priority right now. It is a running joke in the family with him - Have you finished the Witcher Book Two yet? Almost the same running joke with his older sister, who is yet to read the 4th Eragon novel ... which I am also up to and she owns ... I did recently buy the whole series and more in ebook though. They are reading physical books.

Anyway, lets not continue off-topic here maybe ... though at least The Witcher does get a slight mention. LOL
Post edited January 03, 2023 by Timboli
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blotunga: I think the Blood Origin series isn't half as bad as the reviews say it is. It did change stuff from the lore that anyways was changed in the other series, but as part of the Netflix Witcher universe it's acceptable.
It's not acceptable when they sell it like the official adaptation of The Books and universe of The Witcher, peoples who didn't read the books may have false information about the Lore and thinking it's the true story from the books
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Pardinuz: The Witcher Netflix series was great but it's dead to me now. I'd rather spend my time enjoying something worthwhile, like finally reading the books.
The news impacted me as well. Probably one of the first thoughts that came to mind was something along the way of 'will it be as entertaining as with Cavill?' I guess i will give it a try when the next season releases. I mean i'm paying Netflix you know. They better deliver for my money spend!
That said, i could even finally settle in with Austin Butler's role as Wil Ohmsford in the Shannara Chronicles. They portrayed him as this almighty goofball, so it should be all right with the uhm whatever his name was again. It is not his fault.
Concerning Origins. Look, Shannara had Amberle Elessedil, The Sword series, legend of the seeker, showed rightly of with Kahlan Amnell and Origin has its dwarven monoliths, i swear, you don't want to miss out on those!
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Timboli: Anyway, lets not continue off-topic here maybe ... though at least The Witcher does get a slight mention. LOL
Well, i do appreciate your input, be it on or off topic ;)

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Mugiwarah: It's not acceptable when they sell it like the official adaptation of The Books and universe of The Witcher, peoples who didn't read the books may have false information about the Lore and thinking it's the true story from the books.
Such stern language! You do realize that most adaptations suffer from changes to better the suit the new format? If the Witcher was turned into a movie, maybe a trilogy, it might have come better off. But even then, i believe that the Lotr trilogy was the one and only adaptation that managed to stay true to the point. The only one! There is not enough money, fanship or dedication present for the witcher franchise to receive, such a price i guess ;)
And The Hobbit, and certainly the Lotr prequel running on Amazon did not receive the same treatment(lorewise).
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Zimerius: Such stern language! You do realize that most adaptations suffer from changes to better the suit the new format? If the Witcher was turned into a movie, maybe a trilogy, it might have come better off. But even then, i believe that the Lotr trilogy was the one and only adaptation that managed to stay true to the point. The only one! There is not enough money, fanship or dedication present for the witcher franchise to receive, such a price i guess ;)
And The Hobbit, and certainly the Lotr prequel running on Amazon did not receive the same treatment(lorewise).
I could agree with you if they made a few changes, it's normal as books and TV show or movie are different, but for The Witcher they made a complete rewriting on season 2 and the for the first they mixed everything, For Blood Origin they changed the origin of witchers and the story of all main characters and they netflixed all the lore.

They also sold it as the official adaptation, not inspired by, so yes they have to at least follow the main plot not killing characters just to kill them or add witchers while there remain only a few, or completely rewrite characters like Cahir, if they haven't said his name, no one would have recognise him, or add monolith that make monsters pop while everyone who read the books or play the games knows that they came because of the Conjunction of the Spheres, they even changed the origin of the first witcher so yes they deserve all the hate, if you don't like a story, do not adapt it and create your own and leave the orginal to someone who realy likes it. CD Projekt made some changes too for the games, but they didn't go too far from the source, while we play the games, we can still feel the magic from the books while the Netflix shows are bad.
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Zimerius: Such stern language! You do realize that most adaptations suffer from changes to better the suit the new format? If the Witcher was turned into a movie, maybe a trilogy, it might have come better off. But even then, i believe that the Lotr trilogy was the one and only adaptation that managed to stay true to the point. The only one! There is not enough money, fanship or dedication present for the witcher franchise to receive, such a price i guess ;)
And The Hobbit, and certainly the Lotr prequel running on Amazon did not receive the same treatment(lorewise).
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Mugiwarah: I could agree with you if they made a few changes, it's normal as books and TV show or movie are different, but for The Witcher they made a complete rewriting on season 2 and the for the first they mixed everything, For Blood Origin they changed the origin of witchers and the story of all main characters and they netflixed all the lore.

They also sold it as the official adaptation, not inspired by, so yes they have to at least follow the main plot not killing characters just to kill them or add witchers while there remain only a few, or completely rewrite characters like Cahir, if they haven't said his name, no one would have recognise him, or add monolith that make monsters pop while everyone who read the books or play the games knows that they came because of the Conjunction of the Spheres, they even changed the origin of the first witcher so yes they deserve all the hate, if you don't like a story, do not adapt it and create your own and leave the orginal to someone who realy likes it. CD Projekt made some changes too for the games, but they didn't go too far from the source, while we play the games, we can still feel the magic from the books while the Netflix shows are bad.
Don't be mistaken dear friend, In legend of the seeker for example they even had a 'funny' episode where it seemed that the characters just could go out on their own behalf, just so mid-season, not even the last as a some sort of blooper compilation, no! just got stumped rigth in the face with it, it was pretty funny though. I don't even dare go near any lore comparisons between the show and the books. At the end of season 2 you could summarize that something presented its self what could be vaguely described as what you probably would have read in the book series. With all the of lead characters being there and such, not to mention the correct naming of the different continents. I seem to recall that the first book was handled in a more or less truthfull way, like to lure unsuspecting customers but after the seduction phase it went wild and hard, sounds familiar?