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Posted February 13, 2015
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Phoenix-co: AAA games, -75% under a year ??
Skyrim was discounted -30% after 6 months, -50% after one year, -66% after 18 months, -75% after 2 years and its DLCs don't go under -50% even after... nearly 30 month ? (btw, the legendary edition should be discounted -75% around june this year)
And most of the other games follow the same pattern of discounting (as well as the DLCs of older games)
According to isthereanydeal.com, using release date mentioned at Steam: (I'll ignore Nuuvem, but if that's included things go down more quickly)

Tomb Raider: ($50 at release) 50% off after less than 2 monrhs (on Origin), 75% off (GMG, Get Games) in less than 5 months.

Bioshock Infinite: ($60 at release) 50% within 4 months (Steam), over 75% off after 6 months (GameFly), 84% off ($10 at Amazon) after 7 months.

DMC: Devil May Cry: ($50 at release) 50% after 4 months (Steam), 75% off after 9 months (Steam)

Borderlands 2: ($60 at release) 50% off after 2 months (Steam), 84% off after 6 months ($10 at GamersGate)

Assassin's Creed 4: ($60 at release) 50% off at Amazon after 1 month, 80% off after 9 months (GameStop)

Battlefield 4: ($60 at release) 50% off after 1 month (GameStop), 75+% off after 9 months (Amazon, GameStop)

Skyrim: ($60 at release) 50% off after 8 months (Steam), 75% off after 18 months (at GamersGate)


So yes, Skyrim is slower than normal, and I'm sure it's possible to find some other games, but most games (and I didn't cherry-pick the list above, I just looked up what came to mind) get discounted even faster than I thought, based on what I checked.
Posted February 13, 2015
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timppu: Depends on the game. Some (like Skyrim) retain their price better, while some others (Spec Ops: The Line) plummeted quite fast. It didn't seem to take long when you could buy the latter for around $5 or so, IIRC.

Minecraft is an indie game, and it seems to have retained its price quite well. :) (still 20 euros, just checked it; I don't recall if that was the same price when I bought two copies of it a long time ago)
Spec Ops: The Line... ok, 50€ (june 2012), then 20€ (end of november 2012), but... guess what games were sold mid november that year ? CoD black ops 2 and far cry 3. They had to drop the price, since there are new FPS every few months.

As for minecraft, I got it for 10€ in alpha, and it was sold 15€ in beta. but I don't think Notch had ever planned to drop its price (but since Microsoft has bought it, it might change someday)

edit : Ok, I guess Murphy is against me, and every game I plan to buy is discounted slower :-(
Post edited February 13, 2015 by Phoenix-co
Posted February 13, 2015
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WesleyB: The internet is a fun legal loophole, isn't it?

I must admit though, it's tempting to get the removed games from them.. like Re-Volt, ObsCure, the whole Nordic catalog etc.
or the Fallout games
Posted February 13, 2015
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DubConqueror: I always find it strange when piracy is seen as only bad for sales. Sure, there's probably people who like a game and opt to obtain it by piracy without buying it, but the opposite is also true: for me, piracy has often been a stepping stone to buying games. Especially games that cost me €19,- or more instead of bargain bin prices, I wouldn't have bought if the pirated version hadn't made me discover I liked the game. Fallout 3 and Battlefield 2 come to mind as (for my wallet) expansive games I wouldn't have bought if I'd never downloaded the pirated version.

Plus piracy made me discover the joy of circumventing DRM and was a definitive stepping stone to discovering the joy of DRM-free on GOG, the last being joy enough, to stop me from pirating altogether. Selling DRM-free is (in my experience) the best way to defeat pirates. It stopped me (coupled with the dropped sale prices) from downloading pirated games.

As for Steam, I got a Steam account as well, it was kind of forced upon me when my brother gave me Lord of the Rings: War in the North and my brother-in-law gave me Skyrim, both of which turned out to be not complete games, just a DVD with a Steam key accompanying it. So I made an account and have used it to buy more games when I wanted them but they're not available on GOG, but any time a game I bought in a discount on Steam appeared in a GOG sale I gog-gified them (even if the GOG price is higher than the Steam price).

Summary:

So no, GOG isn't complementary to Steam, it's the other way around. And piracy isn't an enemy of GOG, as it's a stepping stone to the enjoyment of buying games DRM-free.

GOG beats piracy beats Steam. That is, piracy would beat Steam for freeing yourself from DRM-free, if piracy wouldn't burden you with the guilt of not supporting the developers of games.
I've heard that "demo/DRM" justification more times than I can count, and knowing human nature I just don't buy the idea that most people, having a presumably working copy of a game freely obtained are going to then support the original dev out of the goodness of their heart. I remember reading this blog post from a dev of an app/application bemoaning the piracy rate of his application, it was a very useful app, only cost a dollar or two, and he even specifically asked people on his page not to pirate, explaining the reasons and it was STILL heavily pirated. The vast majority of people pirate because it's easy, they can, and they're reasonably certain they'll get a slap on the wrist at most. The whole reason AV/Malware removal services exist is because of people torrenting (and clicking things they shouldn't).
Posted February 14, 2015
You might have a point there, in daily life I suffer a lot as I tend to want to do more out of the goodness of my heart than most people. Worried sick about the environmental impact of everything I own, going back to the counter if I forget to pay for something that was accidentaly left in my cart, paying for something that I already got pirated to support the devs fits that picture.I just wish more peopole were like me. I suffer from crippling depressions from worrying my head why people intentionally do evil to others (like stowing boats full of refugees only to abandon them steerless at sea). Well, you get the picture, enough for now, my stomach starts hurting.

Just really wishing more people would act out of the goodness of their heart, life might actually be liveable, instead of making me wondering 'get me out of this hellhole' (kudo's for those who can pinpoint the reference).]
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yellowblanka: I've heard that "demo/DRM" justification more times than I can count, and knowing human nature I just don't buy the idea that most people, having a presumably working copy of a game freely obtained are going to then support the original dev out of the goodness of their heart.
On the positive side, if it gets mentioned so often, doesn't it mean it holds true for a lot of people? It means I'm not completely rare, but there's lots more people who use pirated copies to try out games to buy them if they like 'em.

It seems like you see 'human nature' as being only egoistic, but 'the goodness of our heart' is part of our nature too. We evolved to be social animals and as a means to being a cooperative species we evolved to have conscience. With the wish to support developers and a dislike of stealing as one of conscience's consequences.
Post edited February 14, 2015 by DubConqueror
Posted February 14, 2015
*edit: merged my posts
Post edited February 14, 2015 by DubConqueror
Posted February 14, 2015
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yellowblanka: I've heard that "demo/DRM" justification more times than I can count, and knowing human nature I just don't buy the idea that most people, having a presumably working copy of a game freely obtained are going to then support the original dev out of the goodness of their heart.
I did this when I was younger because there was a time when it was never clear if the game would run properly on your system and sometimes I've gotten a game from a friend and thought "hey, it's awesome, I won't play it further without byung it" and then I bought it.

My overall actions today are mostly guided by morals, believe it or not, but you may find more of this kind in vegan circles that so many people dislike (sometimes with good reasons, sometimes without). This includes piracy, slave labour / fair trade, ecologically correct shopping/energy supply, etc..
Nobody is perfect, but many people at least try to be/do good and the world isn't as dark is it sometimes seems, it mostly depends on your own actions and if you are a good example for your fellow humans.

Just look at the HB "pay what you want" model, some people pay way more than they would have to for buying it full price and it's no surprise that most of them are Linuxers, they always pay more out of their free will in the statistics shown there.

Good people exist and the crowd is growing without any force.
Post edited February 14, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Posted February 21, 2015
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DubConqueror: I always find it strange when piracy is seen as only bad for sales. Sure, there's probably people who like a game and opt to obtain it by piracy without buying it, but the opposite is also true: for me, piracy has often been a stepping stone to buying games. Especially games that cost me €19,- or more instead of bargain bin prices, I wouldn't have bought if the pirated version hadn't made me discover I liked the game. Fallout 3 and Battlefield 2 come to mind as (for my wallet) expansive games I wouldn't have bought if I'd never downloaded the pirated version.

Plus piracy made me discover the joy of circumventing DRM and was a definitive stepping stone to discovering the joy of DRM-free on GOG, the last being joy enough, to stop me from pirating altogether. Selling DRM-free is (in my experience) the best way to defeat pirates. It stopped me (coupled with the dropped sale prices) from downloading pirated games.

As for Steam, I got a Steam account as well, it was kind of forced upon me when my brother gave me Lord of the Rings: War in the North and my brother-in-law gave me Skyrim, both of which turned out to be not complete games, just a DVD with a Steam key accompanying it. So I made an account and have used it to buy more games when I wanted them but they're not available on GOG, but any time a game I bought in a discount on Steam appeared in a GOG sale I gog-gified them (even if the GOG price is higher than the Steam price).

Summary:

So no, GOG isn't complementary to Steam, it's the other way around. And piracy isn't an enemy of GOG, as it's a stepping stone to the enjoyment of buying games DRM-free.

GOG beats piracy beats Steam. That is, piracy would beat Steam for freeing yourself from DRM-free, if piracy wouldn't burden you with the guilt of not supporting the developers of games.
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yellowblanka: I've heard that "demo/DRM" justification more times than I can count, and knowing human nature I just don't buy the idea that most people, having a presumably working copy of a game freely obtained are going to then support the original dev out of the goodness of their heart.
You should "buy" the good pirates' justification. I have bought my 70 games here, after trying them pirated (gog torrents). I discovered GoG because while i was pirating games, i saw the exquisite quality and benefits of its games, then the next moment i knew i was here creating an account, and slowly, over 3 years, buying EVERYTHING i bothered to pirate, plus more; most of my purchases were not on a discount even when i completed them.

And i never pirated anything GoG again.
Posted February 21, 2015
I think GOG are doing well enough in general tat pirating shouldn't be a huge concern. They will lose some sales to pirating but not to everyone who has pirated as many would not have bought the game at all. They will actually gain a certain amount of sales from pirates who learn of them that way although this is an even harder metric to gauge.

I will say, while I have never pirated a game that I can buy on GOG, I have pirated games that I have bought on Origin and also sometimes Steam because I feel I am entitled to the game, since I paid for it, but without all the overhead of the Steam and Origin clients. And also particularly when it is a game, like for example Red Alert, that Origin have not even made any attempt to get to work properly.
Posted February 21, 2015
I think this has been posted before in this thread, but just to be sure:
http://games.on.net/2013/07/we-see-pirates-as-our-competition-we-dont-see-steam-as-our-competition-gog-com-on-hatemail-torrents-and-sharing-games-legally/

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"And every game we have is available on torrents. But you can’t look at every game that is pirated as a lost sale. And you can’t even look at every pirate as somebody who won’t buy games. We have a number of people who come to our website and who on the forums admit, “You know, I downloaded twenty games on GOG from uTorrent and they all work pretty well and they all seem pretty awesome and you guys are having a sale now where I can get the game and all the goodies for four bucks. So I figured I’d actually do this legitimately now.”

So these sorts of things, I won’t say they’re incredibly common, but I would note that for a while we had torrents.ru, a Russian torrents site linking to individual product pages for the descriptions of GOG games that were up on their torrents. And that traffic converted better than Google Search traffic as far as buying the games."
Posted February 21, 2015
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DubConqueror: 'get me out of this hellhole' (kudo's for those who can pinpoint the reference).]
The miners in BG1
Posted June 08, 2015
Sorry for the necro, guys. I just read through this thread and those two comments bothered me too much to move on. Here goes.

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RPGOracle: GoG promotion on torrents really *does* work. Remember what Trevor Longino told us in his interview with games.on.net:

I would note that for a while we had torrents.ru, a Russian torrents site linking to individual product pages for the descriptions of GOG games that were up on their torrents. And that traffic converted better than Google Search traffic as far as buying the games.
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Silverhawk170485: I'm wondering how many people who downloaded games from pirate bay buy them and how many consume the whole game without buying it afterwards.
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Neobr10: 99.99% do not buy it afterwards.
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mobutu: nice crystal ball you have there ;)
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Neobr10: I don't need crystal balls to see the facts. Using pirated games as a "demo" is just a lame excuse and nothing else. People who want free stuff will just make up excuses like that to make themselves look good. It just doesn't justify it, especially at this day and age when it's never been so easy to find tons of information before purchasing a game. Not to mention that games have never been so cheap as they are today with all these sales.
Haven't you been paying attention?
Post edited June 08, 2015 by KILLA-CONNI
Posted June 08, 2015
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KILLA-CONNI: Haven't you been paying attention?
Paying attention to what?
Posted June 08, 2015
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KILLA-CONNI: Haven't you been paying attention?
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monkeydelarge: Paying attention to what?
To the interview linked by RPGOracle:
http://games.on.net/2013/07/we-see-pirates-as-our-competition-we-dont-see-steam-as-our-competition-gog-com-on-hatemail-torrents-and-sharing-games-legally/

(reading it right now, so I can’t comment on it yet)
Posted June 08, 2015
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monkeydelarge: Paying attention to what?
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vv221: To the interview linked by RPGOracle:
http://games.on.net/2013/07/we-see-pirates-as-our-competition-we-dont-see-steam-as-our-competition-gog-com-on-hatemail-torrents-and-sharing-games-legally/

(reading it right now, so I can’t comment on it yet)
I think GOG has changed over the last few years in that regard; with big growth, Galaxy, deep discounts, nVidia Witcher 3 promo, etc., in my view it's pretty obvious they're competing with Steam now (as well as pirates still, I guess, inasmuch as they ignore them).
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