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Really? I thought Deepfreeze was the leading GG website.
Also, please explain how Reaxxion is a fascist propaganda website. That's a pretty harsh accusation.
The quality is certainly subpar, imo, but I don't see how its fascist propaganda.
Post edited May 24, 2015 by CthuluIsSpy
You do notice how the paper is copyright DiGRA, right?
Here's more...
Rather interesting, some would probably say, subversive options they offer in the paper....

The underlying ethical question regarding our research is that it could be used to reinforce
developer/player stereotypes and sustain dominant game genres/licenses OR it could be
used to break stereotypes, diversify developers/players and innovate titles in the game
industry.
NHTV could use this research to profile its game students before accepting
them in a variation of the IGAD program. Not only could this improve the students’
chances of success in the program, it may also enhance their employability. Atypical
personality types could be injected into the industry to make it more representative of the
general population.
Game development studios could use the information gained from
our research to better match developers to genres and/or stages of production to improve
a title’s completion rate and/or assure its quality.
Tell me how those options don't match "social justice" objectives? You can claim DiGRA doesn't want this, but seriously, what do you know of their motives....
And you can trash the Reaxxion's author all you want, but at least he seems to have better reading comprehension of the article than yourself given he sees these "leaps of logic" which exist in the paper while you just got done claiming "The sole intent is to evaluate what the industry de facto asks of and needs from designers, and how these qualities can be taught to students."

I beg to differ, and I think any reasonable person reading that paper would question whether ulterior motives exist given various phrases which I've highlighted among others....

Edit: And personally, the "fascists" seem to be the group trying to change the game industry to their image (the SJWs). You know, the actual definition of fascist. And when it comes to hate mob, SJWs seem to have the clear claim to the throne there as well. Just look at the hate being spewed by one self-proclaimed advocate named Vain at Reaxxion and anyone who even dares support men's rights in any situation.
Post edited May 24, 2015 by RWarehall
DiGRA also stated that devs should approach gamers as hostile subjects.

basically treat your audience like the enemy
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"break stereotypes, diversify developers/players and innovate titles in the game industry"
Oh no.. The horror..
How can we bear it..?

Stereotypes falling apart??
A diverse array of developers and players??
MORE games????
Innovative titles that aren't just the same rinse-and-repeat series year after year with the same old genres and tropes showing up in "new" titles whose only real mark of progress is improved graphics??

What.
a.
tragedy.
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SusurrusParadox: "break stereotypes, diversify developers/players and innovate titles in the game industry"
Oh no.. The horror..
How can we bear it..?

Stereotypes falling apart??
A diverse array of developers and players??
MORE games????
Innovative titles that aren't just the same rinse-and-repeat series year after year with the same old genres and tropes showing up in "new" titles whose only real mark of progress is improved graphics??

What.
a.
tragedy.
Are you delusional? Stop the ''evil beyond belief enemy'' for you to courageously fight and destroy fantasy.
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SusurrusParadox: Innovative titles that aren't just the same rinse-and-repeat series year after year with the same old genres and tropes showing up in "new" titles whose only real mark of progress is improved graphics??
Careful, susurrus, careful. As every reaxxion reader knows, "an obsession with visuals" is a sign of SJW corruption. ;)
http://www.reaxxion.com/7559/how-to-recognize-a-sjw-video-game

As to the fascism – correct, the deepfreeze website easily rises to McCarthyism (a three digit number of people only make it on their hitlist because deepfreeze found those names on an ordinary journalist mailing list). The fascist propaganda enters where "the SJW" as an all encompassing enemy concept is used, and that is first and foremost reaxxion. Fascist concepts eerily mirroring degenerate art — "Entartete Kunst" — are all over the place there, with the "SJW game designer" in the center of the hate machinery, standing in for a modern variant of the Untermensch. Baselessly slandering academic investigation very, very strongly rings a bell over here as well, exemplified by a sub par article the author of which seems to have read a completely different paper.

Sure enough, gamergate supporters and what they call "SJW" show an interesting overlap (as exemplified recently when people dug into the twitter attacks on Joss Whedon), but still the gamergate ideologues from reaxxion uphold the stark contrast between themselves and their fictional enemy.

And to top it all, reaxxion's owner is... uhmmm... let's say, a bit closer to Nazism than we would deem tolerable.
http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/04/pickup-artist-roosh-v-edges-ever-closer-to-neo-nazism-with-an-attack-on-cosmopolitan-degenerate-jews/
Post edited May 24, 2015 by Vainamoinen
Isn't We Hunted the Mammoth biased?
Its subtitle is "we tracked the misogyny, hunted and mocked"
I trust its validity as much as Reaxxion's.
Post edited May 24, 2015 by CthuluIsSpy
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SusurrusParadox: Innovative titles that aren't just the same rinse-and-repeat series year after year with the same old genres and tropes showing up in "new" titles whose only real mark of progress is improved graphics??
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Vainamoinen: Careful, susurrus, careful. As every reaxxion reader knows, "an obsession with visuals" is a sign of SJW corruption. ;)
http://www.reaxxion.com/7559/how-to-recognize-a-sjw-video-game

As to the fascism – correct, the deepfreeze website easily rises to McCarthyism (a three digit number of people only make it on their hitlist because deepfreeze found those names on an ordinary journalist mailing list). The fascist propaganda enters where "the SJW" as an all encompassing enemy concept is used, and that is first and foremost reaxxion. Fascist concepts eerily mirroring degenerate art — "Entartete Kunst" — are all over the place there, with the "SJW game designer" in the center of the hate machinery, standing in for a modern variant of the Untermensch. Baselessly slandering academic investigation very, very strongly rings a bell over here as well, exemplified by a sub par article the author of which seems to have read a completely different paper.

Sure enough, gamergate supporters and what they call "SJW" show an interesting overlap (as exemplified recently when people dug into the twitter attacks on Joss Whedon), but still the gamergate ideologues from reaxxion uphold the stark contrast between themselves and their fictional enemy.

And to top it all, reaxxion's owner is... uhmmm... let's say, a bit closer to Nazism than we would deem tolerable.
http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/04/pickup-artist-roosh-v-edges-ever-closer-to-neo-nazism-with-an-attack-on-cosmopolitan-degenerate-jews/
Roosh:2+2=4
Vainamoinen : DIE HITLER SPAWN! DATS NOT CORRECT!
Post edited May 24, 2015 by Shadowstalker16
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CthuluIsSpy: Isn't We Hunted the Mammoth biased?
Its subtitle is "we tracked the misogyny, hunted and mocked"
I trust its validity as much as Reaxxion's.
I rather link to whtm than direct people to Roosh's website, particularly when Futrelle uses plenty of direct quotes to make his argument. Linking to reaxxion to make a point is way enough for one day.

As to "Hitler spawns", last I heard, they decided to not procreate on purpose.
Post edited May 24, 2015 by Vainamoinen
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CthuluIsSpy: Isn't We Hunted the Mammoth biased?
Its subtitle is "we tracked the misogyny, hunted and mocked"
I trust its validity as much as Reaxxion's.
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Vainamoinen: I rather link to whtm than direct people to Roosh's website, particularly when Futrelle uses plenty of direct quotes to make his argument. Linking to reaxxion to make a point is way enough for one day.

As to "Hitler spawns", last I heard, they decided to not procreate on purpose.
Yeah, they decided to ignore the facts and change the topic.

I read their ''study'' and found some stuff:

1.At the beginning of the 2010 academic year, 29 Design and Production students were
surveyed about their play preferences, age, gender, ethnicity
and personality type
=ETHINICITY??? Are they seriously implying people from different skin colours actually think differently? What shit is this? Besides taking 30 people. Same with gender.

2.Only 7/30 didn't include 1st and 3rd person shooters in their ''all time favorites''. Classified as FPS/TPS are: GoW, CoD, Bioshock, HL2 and L4D2. I think we can all agree they're so similar to be included in that ''genre''.
Pokemon, Red Dead Redemption and LoL are classified as RPGs XD XD XD

LOLOLOLOLOL
Post edited May 24, 2015 by Shadowstalker16
Hipster doxxes lawyer, patriarchy gives no official statement : http://www.reaxxion.com/9083/blogger-margaret-pless-admits-to-doxxing-pro-gamergate-lawyer-mike-cernovich
Quote from Digra study "A typical personality types could be injected into the industry to make it more representative of the general population"

Why is this automatically considered a good thing? Why does everything have to match up with the general population? A lot of people tell me that matching the general population is a good thing, but they never tell me why it is a good thing. I understand that having a group with diverse experiences and ideologies can lead to better outcomes in some circumstances, but why does everything have to match to the general population?

I work in the accounting industry. A few years ago the firm I worked at did an analysis of all employees. It wasn't Meyers Briggs, but something similar. The overall profile of the firm didn't match the general population. As a group we tended to be less creative and more analytical. In my opinion this is actually good for society as a whole, when accountants are too creative you get things like Enron.
As to that study, don't worry about the age, gender, ethnicity thing. That is standard demographics taking. More problematic is the sample size. With only 30 respondents, comparing it to the Briggs-Myers 16 type personality spectrum is rather silly. Its a bad study with a conclusion that is not supported by the shoddy "research" if you even want to call it that.

As to the Margaret Pless article, the part that is really missing is how after the doxx, Zoe Quinn not only didn't condemn it, but re-tweeted it to her followers. When you gather your followers for a Twitter storm and someone in your group doxxes someone, seems to me you have some responsibility to condemn it (like Gamergate does). But of course she did not and instead chose to spread the doxx further. A similar thing happened with the TFYC and its head who was doxxed by her Twitter mob (specifically by someone who used to work at Destructoid). She didn't chastise that doxx either. Funny that we know two names of people who have committed doxxing and both come from the anti side with no one on that side complaining about it. Seems these SJW-types think they can decide who's bad and then the rules no longer apply to them.

As to Vain...Notice how Vain goes back to his usual "change the subject" by attacking the owner of the website through something completely unrelated. He never really addressed any of the very valid points brought up. Basically he was made a fool of since the article did not say what he claimed. And adding the dash of inciteful words like Fascism and Hitler and Nazis and ISIS because you know patriarchy makes gamers just like that...and HE claims Gamergaters see conspiracy theories...haha

Then there is Susurrus who thinks crying but "rape is bad" is a valid reason to censor at the drop of a hat. Or the silly SJW claim "but we are only trying to make diverse games" so that's why we want GTA and CoD and the Witcher off the shelfs so people might actually buy ours. Nothing is stopping anyone from making what they consider a more "diverse" game. The problem is no one wants to buy your crap, so you now are trying to resort to banning and censorship, misrepresentation and shaming to get your "new" style of game sold.

Seriously, I believe most of Gamergate are just in it as a counter-movement. We don't want some neo-fem visionaries banning and censoring games at the drop of a hat because of their latest "outrage" or new vision for the future.

How frigging hard is it to let capitalism run its course? I mean...if you really want to stop the trend of AAA sequels, then write a great game and gamers will buy it. Simple as that. Instead people write crappy incomplete games and then cry that people aren't buying them. That is if they are even writing or playing games at all. Most of these SJW types don't even play the games they are complaining about (you can tell because they get their facts wrong). They don't actually watch Game of Thrones but rely on their echo chambers to tell them about the latest "outrage" so they can spam everyone who will listen with their ill-informed garbage outrage. Basically the SJW movement are a bunch of busy-bodies going around telling everyone else how they should act. Basically self-privileged asshats.

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walpurgis8199: Quote from Digra study "A typical personality types could be injected into the industry to make it more representative of the general population"

Why is this automatically considered a good thing? Why does everything have to match up with the general population? A lot of people tell me that matching the general population is a good thing, but they never tell me why it is a good thing. I understand that having a group with diverse experiences and ideologies can lead to better outcomes in some circumstances, but why does everything have to match to the general population?

I work in the accounting industry. A few years ago the firm I worked at did an analysis of all employees. It wasn't Meyers Briggs, but something similar. The overall profile of the firm didn't match the general population. As a group we tended to be less creative and more analytical. In my opinion this is actually good for society as a whole, when accountants are too creative you get things like Enron.
And to add, where are the other personality types? Maybe they are using other mediums such as writing books, movies or music. Maybe they are not suited for jobs that require exacting coding lest the game doesn't work. Or God forbid, could you imagine an accountant who didn't care about getting the numbers rights and wants to take creative license?
Post edited May 25, 2015 by RWarehall
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Vainamoinen: I rather link to whtm than direct people to Roosh's website, particularly when Futrelle uses plenty of direct quotes to make his argument. Linking to reaxxion to make a point is way enough for one day.

As to "Hitler spawns", last I heard, they decided to not procreate on purpose.
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Shadowstalker16: Yeah, they decided to ignore the facts and change the topic.

I read their ''study'' and found some stuff:

1.At the beginning of the 2010 academic year, 29 Design and Production students were
surveyed about their play preferences, age, gender, ethnicity
and personality type
=ETHINICITY??? Are they seriously implying people from different skin colours actually think differently? What shit is this? Besides taking 30 people. Same with gender.

2.Only 7/30 didn't include 1st and 3rd person shooters in their ''all time favorites''. Classified as FPS/TPS are: GoW, CoD, Bioshock, HL2 and L4D2. I think we can all agree they're so similar to be included in that ''genre''.
Pokemon, Red Dead Redemption and LoL are classified as RPGs XD XD XD

LOLOLOLOLOL
Yo, dumbfuck.
Ethnicity (ie: cultural group) is not the same as race (ie: absolutely unscientific nonsense only valid as the basis for racism).
On top of that, it's a study : one includes variables like that to see if it makes a difference.
ie: If different cultural groups from different ethnic backgrounds actually prefer different genres & content & mechanics, etc.
(You're not terribly good at the whole 'science' thing, are you? Not surprised, given your blatant inability to apply critical analysis to anything with any degree of competence.)

What would you class Pokémon as if not a 'role-playing game', hm? Adventure?
League of Legends does indeed possess RPG elements, though I'd argue it's more 'Action RTS'.
Red Dead Redemption is more an Adventure game, but again has RPG elements.
(Here's the stunning explanation one might easily surmise from the available data:
They didn't have an 'adventure' or 'action RTS' genre.
Dead simple.)

.. and yes, I'd like to think we can agree that games where one nigh-exclusively shoots things are 'shooters'.
You proceed through the game world on a largely linear path shooting at things that get in the way.
(Optional bonuses for sometimes not shooting things, or not shooting certain things, do not alter that the main objective is 'shoot the things to proceed'.)

I mean, by all means if you'd rather sit there casually dismissing things because you're busy demonstrating a glaring amount of bias.. go ahead.
Just don't pretend you actually know what you're talking about.
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(Note: I actually agree that the sample size is too small.
Surprisingly enough, RWarehall actually has a valid complaint there.)

"Maybe they are not suited for jobs that require exacting coding lest the game doesn't work"
Mayyyybe games development does not necessarily require 'exacting coding' to be a capability of every team member.
Mayyyyyyybe most modern games have at least one dedicated writer, as well as dedicated artists.
Maybe it's a TEAM effort.

So, y'know, the person with the 'exacting coding' skills can do their thing.. and everyone else can do their thing.. and the collaborative result is greater than any would likely manage on their own.
(Usually a hell of a lot quicker too.)
[... except for things like Duke Nukem Forever. Which obviously was a string of fucksups long before it got out the door.]


... *peers at that line again*
Does Bethesda have 'exacting coding' ? <.<
What about Obsidian?
I mean, I generally like those companies.. but 'exacting coding' they are not.


Anyways.
Something about GTA and.. um.. Call of Duty, right?
Well, GTA's shite.
But the solution to that is, funnily enough, Saints Row.
.. y'know, a competitor? A worthy opponent?
(Although I'm almost sure the stance taken was something like "THEM PESKY SJWS JUST WANT CENSORSHIP". Hm. Odd.)
Call of Duty... my greatest issue is honestly the fucking clusterfuck that is the DLC.
(Where the hell did Medal of Honor go btw?)

But here's the kicker:
These established franchises and established developers and established publishers are actually the ones with the power & influence.
Going "WHY DON'T YOU MAKE YOUR OWN GAME" is... stupid.
Do you tell people that dislike, say, a shitty movie to "GO MAKE YOUR OWN MOVIE" ?
What about other shitty products?
No. It's expensive & requires various sets of skills (many of them specialist in nature), and not everyone can be expected to be capable of doing so. There are numerous obstacles to doing just that.
Not the least of which is the financial cost, second to which is the time & energy required.
Have you ever sat down and considered the base requirements for games development?
How someone might be able to afford to consume a product, but not to create it?
(Because that is quite honestly the foundation of the modern economy: individuals consume what various groups with specialised knowledge and/or equipment and the required resources for investment create.)

Bought a new game and it doesn't work?
WHY DON'T YOU MAKE YOUR OWN GAME THAT DOESN'T HAVE BUGS?

Don't like the government?
MAKE YOUR OWN NATION.
(See: Nationstates.)

Pizza you ordered isn't cooked properly?
MAKE YOUR OWN PIZZA, FROM SCRATCH.

Don't like the lemons life gave you?
MAKE YOUR OWN LEMONS, AND BURN LIFE'S HOUSE DOWN WITH THEM.

We're not all Cave Johnson, equipped with wealth & ridiculous technology & teams of developers.
In short: Shut up. That shit is a silencing tactic, not a valid argument.
Voicing critique & acting for change, etc. = Valid market force & valid social force, & valid expression of free speech.


In fact, here's a lovely counter-argument:
If the big bad feminists & SJWs manage to alter the mainstream...
If the aspects of games that you apparently like despite their lack of mechanical & artistic value go away..
WHY DON'T YOU MAKE YOUR OWN GAME? :D