Stop downrepping the new guy people. At least he/she's willing to talk and debate! That makes it at least a little from a groupthink echo chamber cult which substitutes racial and gender discrimination with strict compliance rules and ideological discrimination.

Afterall, I bet people don't like getting downrepped by bitches hiding and too afraid to talk right? My rep *wink wink*

You understand that beta testing isn't promotion, right? And he's mentioned in the credits (not as a beta tester I believe), along with many other people, its in the open for everyone to see. What has this got to do with the allegation that he promoted her work after they slept together?

Erm... very interesting link. Translation? Or do you have some other interests, beside #gg? :)

This was literally months before the slept together.

This article was written less than two months ago and he only mentions she was on a panel. How is this relevant? He doesn't promote her work and he actually mentions they dated. Do you really think this is an example of corruption in games journalism? That a writer mentions someone he dated is on a panel and discloses that he dated her? Are you suggesting he can never right about her again?

You understand that's not promoting her work right? That's writing about what happened at Gamejam. There are no two sides to that story. Nobody is suggesting that didn't happen, not even Matti Lesham.

Twitter? Exchanging personal shit over Twitter is now corruption in gaming journalism?

Did these guys sleep with each other?

Your links hurt your arguments so much more than they help. Its this myopic approach to corruption in games journalism that really typifies the issues that so many people who have genuine concerns about issues in the gaming industry (AAA devs releasing broken games, not being held to account by writers, paying writers to advertise their product, putting pressure on websites market teams to give positive coverage, etc) have with #gg.

Anyway, you're going to keep on living in your fantasy world anyway, so I guess I've just wasted my time. I hope you're doing ok, RWarehall, you seem really upset in some of your posts above. I'd recommend you have a cone.

See, this is something I disagree with. Many people come to those events to just have a good time nerding around, you don't need to charge the event politically. Personally I would have preferred if they banned all political merchandise. So, no people running around in GG t-shirts, but also no people running around in Feminist Frequency t-shirts or anything like that.

See the organisers of Denver Comic Con are probably not the 'SJW Zealots' that you guys, apparently, argue with on Twitter all the time, they are probably casual observers whose JOB it is to be aware of trends in the media

You guys are using 'SJW', 'Feminist' and 'Anti-GG' interchangeably and while I admit there is zealotry in the SJW camp (it's maybe an age thing - I'm approaching 40 but people in their late teens and early 20s tend to see less shades of grey and are only too eager to sign up to a cause wholeheartedly - why do you think that we've convinced them to fight our wars for us throughout the whole of human history? But I digress...) and that the feminists use a lot of codified language that even I find a bit annoying and unhelpful but you miss the point that, if you take 'Anti-GG' to mean 'the views of people who think GG is a Bad Thing' then there's a very good argument to say that the consensus of popular opinion is Anti-GG!

A big part of that, as we keep telling you (although I'm not sure about the whole neck-snap thing) is that you guys are doing a shockingly bad PR job - the left-wing and liberal mainstream press is against you because they are the feminists and SJWs natural allies and because of course they are! On the other hand, the mainstream right-wing press isn't giving you much service because most of them are still off on a Jack Thompson 'Ban this sick filth' 'Think of the children' 'OMG Mass Effect is trying to make all of our kids GAY' tip.

Therefore, the first any casual observer in the street hears of #GG is as a misogynist hate movement and you pretty much have to convince every Joe and Jane Q Public and every con organiser individually that there's more to you than that, at this point at least

I'm.. I'm not sure why I'm being so helpful here but I guess it just irritates me how blind to these realities some of you act...

Have you not noticed the dislikes on ABC's anti-GG hit job? Did you not read the passionate and overwhelmingly GG-supporting comments on Colbert's facebook after he had Sarkeesian on and ran a piece misrepresenting GG? I can't find a picture of the latter, but I know one exists out there somewhere and saw it happen firsthand. Even when Time magazine put up a poll for "most influential people," didn't AS lose out big time despite making it in somehow? Who has the image problem, again?

(This thread got pretty hostile, but I love you all despite our petty disagreements. Even you, Vaina—you're like a teddy bear that's filled with hate, but still oh-so cuddly. You should come visit the Cyberpunk boards over on CDPR's forums sometime.)

*shrugs* Is the press's propaganda misrepresenting true popular opinion or is pro-GG a small but very vocal minority?
Who knows!
Comments sections can be odd places at times though...

50000 dislikes 1500 likes, i'd call that a clear message

aaaaand there were bomb threats against the peaceful meeting in DC. Yet gg is the one making all the threats right? Anti gg is only kind and victim right? RIGHT?

Last time I checked, they were just attacking a game developer for releasing concept art with a short haired female protagonist.
https://twitter.com/Terak404/status/588934374357389312/photo/1

Above tweet takes, besides the hashtag AND the SJW Untermensch concept, strangely obvious cues from gamergate culture — a Roosh V article from the same week that detailed how women with short hair are harming themselves, and a Sargon of Akkad video from the same week that described how the fictional pandering to gamergate's fictional enemy would somehow fail to raise sales (surprise!).

delusional hate from the fringes of gamergate + delusional hate from its center = attack on developer: Gamergate culture.

I assure you, a movement that began as a campaign to drive a game developer into suicide — and is still at it! — really doesn't want game developers "to be left alone to make what they want". And I fail to even see the gamergate perspective in this respect. Surely they must understand what they're doing, seeing that the supposedly corrupt journalist survived these last eight months relatively unscathed?

Y'know, I didn't ask any game developer to remove fan created content from his game, ever. But I'd rather do that than pulling off this kind of aggressive, developer attacking gamergate stuff. In the Obsidian incident, the actual developer's vision of the game was never even criticised — and still it must serve as gamergate's prime example of how SJW Untermensch outrage influences the games of our time.

Weakest evidence, I'll say. Rather find something else recently? Because the ritual Obsidian evocation rather gets me smirking. This can't be the best gamergate can dig up, really. If this supposedly is a culture war, there must be far better examples. I don't deny that they are out there, of course. Just saying that gamergate sticks with just about the worst example for their argument.

Imagine trying to spread love in a thread in which the term nigger is routinely used to denote black people. Same thing with "the SJW". The bias is in the terminology. But I do see how many arteries burst when you remind people of the simple fact. Sticking with "SJW Untermensch" for now –- it's the better comparison anyway.

And I DO worry about RWarehall's state of mind. It can be cathartic to pour out a bit of aggression over a heatedly debated subject once in a while, but this level of continuous insult and outrage really can't be that healthy. I do see that I'm supposed to play the gentlewoman here, not giving anything back that is thrown in my direction. But the SJW concept as a ready made enemy figure? Those are the dehumanizing strategies I've been warned against. And when they fit so eerily... sorry, stop it. Stop it with the SJW enemy concept. It's self-degrading.

HTown, you are just full of shit.

Those links show multiple instances over the last three years that Zoe and Nathan have had a friendship.relationship which is unbecoming to a reporter/reportee relationship. Yes, its IS wrong to be pals on Twitter with the people you are reporting on. Unethical people like you just don't fucking get it, but reasonable people do not want their reporters taking sides with their friends. Period.

All you do in these threads is try in vain to poke holes. You make yourself just look really stupid and desperate.

You do realize that that Nathan and Zoe were hanging out in Vegas the day after he wrote the piece painting her very favorably at that Game Jam that blew up. Right? Rational people see that as a serious conflict of interest, especially from someone who is in the credits of her game and with whom he's been Tweeting personal nonsense with. But clearly you are not being rational. You have a side and you'll say any stupid thing to support it. That is why most people will not have a discourse with you. You are dishonest.

Or imagine speaking in a thread where some asshole threatens to report you and edits the post reply to make it appear you have called him a Jew. What kind of totally worthless piece of shit does that? Talk about SJW attempts to unfairly get people censored or banned.....

I'm so glad you take so much joy in deceiving the uninformed public to rally them against Gamergate. Clearly concepts like truth or honesty are not a strong suit for you...

Actually its no surprise that many women with their nearly worthless to the real workforce Women's Studies degrees can only find work in journalism...

link to where they are attacking for the short haired character?
yeah the SJW untermensch concept is very strong. You have definitely been treating all who support gg as untermenschen

gg hasn't been trying to get zoe into suicide. The were protesting against her conflict of interest.

"still at it"

only when SJW decide to shove her in the discussion again.

And you seem to forget your poor victim always suffering Zoë herself tried to drive furries into suicide (and according to certain helldump users they indeed have a confirmed kill) but she is only victim. That she has supported doxxing and is a reported abuser doesn't make a damn.
uhm no?

And you've added jew as insult to someone else's comment, but we are racist?
basically every major site had its ethics policy updated. You just blind yourself to any progress gg makes.
Corrupt ones lost advertisers. You'd call that unscathed? Certain bigoted journos left their big sites to go anf fail on their own. Unscathed?

How about a nice episode of the David Pakman Show everyone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmPMxegAlMs

Seriously you take some random tweet by some random douche on the Internet as some sort of proof ? I know that you usually love resorting to guilt by association but here it's getting a little silly even for you...

You mean something like that :

Such wonderful hypocrisy... what were you saying already about making up fictional enemies and "dehumanizing strategies" ?

Provided. Yes, that is a direct reaction to the concept art provided hours earlier. Boggles the mind, doesn't it?

Hmmm, let's see. Where's my checklist.

Didn't make up the term as a derogatory way of addressing my enemies - check.
Didn't stress gamergate's ties to a communist conspiracy with the intent to influence politics - check.
Didn't describe the work of gamergate supporting developers as systemically inferior - check.
Didn't try to overtly instigate consumer protest against and boycott of gamergate supporting developers and game sites - check.

I could go on, but I really think I'm safe here.

I'll say that conflict of interest – for which no hard evidence has ever been found – ceased to exist on the very first day of this disaster. So if I, for one short moment, wouldn't assess the protest to have been vastly overblown in the first place, gamergate has just about 250 days left to answer for.

Stop. Using. The. Term. SJW.

Who shoved Quinn into the GOG discussion again? Well, wasn't what you'd call SJW. And, man, I could tell you stories about how this person desperately wanted to discuss Quinn elsewhere as well. Got himself banned for it. Although he wasn't aware of it, he was banned by a person immortalized as a character in an extremely popular video game... but we're getting off topic.

Because they rethought their ethics as a reaction to the mob at their doors, overtly threatening their existence?

I don't think so.

Neither do you.

The groupthink is strong with SJWs. Misled people always suffer the most unfortunately.

@Vaina : did you read about the groupthink thing I posted? You should. SJWs group cohesion is similar to that of religious extremists and Nazis when you compare blind denial of facts and sticking to one set of objectively true principles that actually aren't.