I found this and thought everyone here might like it....and it might give someone a laugh and brighten their day I hope.... insert spacer here, as gog combines posts and doesn't space them properly

The numbers seem scary, but if you put them by the total world population they start to lose their 'fear factor', to use the term.

And to the work thing, well people need to work to pay bills and eat, and if other workers can be safe with everyone wearing masks + distancing then some other workers should be able to as well. If they all practice the same measures I mean.

You are right in that though on the decline it is still around, and that it may linger longer than it, I'll say 'should', simply because what should have been done hasn't been done from the get go, except in one country: Taiwan. When it comes to such infectious disease, if you know what to do and how to do it and do it quick, you're ina better position to ride it out and this with minimal loss of lives, not to mention not having to get everything coming to a brutal halt economically speaking. So it's basically now a question of the 'getting back to work' done properly and truly learning from past mistakes, again exactly like Taiwan did hence them being pretty much top of the class.

They are, and I believe South Korea is up there as well(and maybe Sweden if we're talking about people staying calm and orderly).

nevermind

New information. I keep things sort again from what I've found. Also good job regarding this thread and political jibber-jabber talk.

- The virus shares no real relation to other deadly non-coronavirus virus strains such as HIV.
- According to the LANL, the SARS-CoV-2 virus may become less deadly. They deducted through genome sequencing that the Virus does adept to the Human Body as it binds itself to a certain b-cell protein, which is good because the t-cells IL6 protein connection is the reason of the dangerous "cytokine storms" phenomena (which also does happen on severe cases with influenza). If there is a certain epitope that the antibody system is already adept in handling then more and more people will show less symptoms (and potentially less lasting damage). So the human body may actually handle the virus more competently due to the "dance" between the virus and the AB-System and Human genome. The caveat however is that the SARS-CoV-2 virus stain will become way more infectious than before. If this progession remains true is to be seen though. I give the virus about 6 months to show its new "lethal" potential through data. This phenomena is also observed worldwide by the way, but the LANL is probably has the greatest sequency analysis and scientific paper regarding this entire topic.

I only heard this and have no paper, study or article available. But I've heard that the virus also does risible damage to the nervous system as a lot of people can't play video games properly or play the music instrument while they're even midly sick with COVID-19. We don't know yet how much permanent damage this virus inflicts. It could be that those 4.2 million people that got infected with SARS-CoV-2 may never be able to properly work again while they also become vastly more suspectiable to any other illments such as cancer as time goes by. It could also be that even those who're mildly infected or those that did not wholly notice it could be dead within the next few years due to the virus many side effects. This has to be analyzed by scientists and this forum can't do much about it other to speculate. My personal gut feeling is that those who survived the illness the truth may somewhere in-between "fully recovered" and "completly fucked". Perspectives for potential therapies have to be envisioned and potentially researched. Again as I've stated this weeks prior, I think stem-cell research may play into this, through it has to be researched in a much grander fashion. Potential therapeutic methods in order to "heal" the damage done may take years to properly develop for thousands or even millions of prior COVID-19 patients after the general positive effects are fully deducted.

I've also heard about certain events which causes the virus to spread, such as new incidents where it spreads through factories and construction sites.These sort of spreading events are valueable data, because they basically happen inside the vacuum and you can question any infected person in real time (while they're actually getting more ill). Survelience of any infected person is key in understanding the virus and what it does to people, but also how to handle the virus properly within a concealed setting, such as any potential office space without much space to offer, any larger factory space of any kind or even inside schools.

Sources:
Regarding HIV relatability (which is nonexistent)
LANL analysis regarding SARS-CoV-2 infectability
It was already suspected but the therapy with Stem Cells are already successful in many singular hospitalized cases within ICU.

EDIT: Well guess things weren't kept so short after all, sorry.

First off, thanks for posting so much valuable and insightful information...it is appreciated for those of us who still check in to the thread.

That said, I hope you and yours are doing well....hopefully within a month or so many of us can get back to work/play(albeit with precautions in place) and a semblance of normalcy sometime soon. :)

Honestly though, with proper management (ventilation, flooding the room with sunlight and practicing new hygene standards) you could actually get to work even tommorow. I mean this entire crisis should be great for Americans, because they need new workers that do regulate this. The market can be huge for this, with millions of workers taking care of "a clean business".

Here comes my recommendation, according to the gathered data.

These new hygene practices must be include and must never be broken:

- Physical/Smart distancing practices as with standing 6 feet away from each other.
- If the rule MUST be broken, enforce "mouth and nose face masks" and/or "Ebola masks faceshields".
- Washing your hands once every hour.
- Not sharing equipment such as pencils. Everyone must have their own equipments.
- Don't be too close to people for a period that is longer than 10 minutes.
- Downtime should be spend outside.

More advanced forms of these practices that require technicalities and some money include daily or at least weekly random PCR-testing. The more you test office spaces, the better mitigating the general infection risk becomes. Do that in schools as well and you can open them up again.

There also is a psychological effect in regular testing within a company as being tested regularly makes people feel safer and less stressed in times like these. It indicates that people are not "alone" and that others care about them. Remember that this deadly virus crisis is put on top of the "regular" working stress and that affects people very negatively. With this in mind, regular PRC testing makes workers think that their lifes aren't at stake anymore every time they come to work or go to school. I also think its a essential measure, albeit more complicated then the rest.

With any of these measurements in place, enjoy your 0.3% IFR at worst and very slow spread.

And at the worst. If people get ill and must get hospitalised, remember to use HFNCs and other NIV measurements. This virus does not cause regular ARDS even if doctors tell you this right now. There is large amounts of data already gathering within PP-databases that indicate that the lungs are still fully functional even if the infection is severe and the lungs are already damaged. This also means that death actually happens by overstraining your metabolism/damage to other body systems and not through your lungs alone. So using strong anticoagulants, sleeping on your breasts and stomach while sick and not your side and back while using proper ventilation methods that are non-invasive, preferably through your nose does help a whole lot to save your body from being permanently damaged. And since Remdesivir works, you can use it on the more severe patients. There you go, death and even some of the permanent damage (it should be around Influenza levels or slightly higher, which is still bad) will not happen as badly and IFR will go down to about 0.18% or maybe even less. The less your lungs get overstrained through agressive ventilation, the better.

This with the proper ventilation and UV sunlight "disinfection" together works wonders because what matters is making the virus not active even through aerosol spread (that happens while you're breathing). If a office has no windows then the business should move to a place where such things exist. Because mitigating the risk of spread is complicated, hireing one person that takes care of things should be a priority when it comes to working in office spaces. If you work in a larger business you can easily hire more "health specialists" to handle these things. People decided that this virus stays for good, so its better to partially recreate the market in order to accommodate these new business fields that focus on health and mitigating risks in a major fashion.

You can thank the Italians, Chinese and the Swiss folks for actually approaching this in a mature manner through several papers critically analysing the effects of anticoagulants and how COVID-19 progresses. Italy is gonna be a huge "winner" in this entire crisis I believe as they're handling it amazingly in the couple past weeks.

The largest problem is that those who may become infected by SARS-CoV-2 may never be able to work again. Not getting the virus should be THE Nr.1 priority for every country. Understanding the virus is key to such an approach. That or a 2 months full lockdown since its possible and proven that countries are able in rotting out the virus entirely, but that also tanks the economy and other countries may be able to spread the virus again unknowingly (by both countries of course as seen with how the UK and US got infected).

A normal life as people ask for will not be happening again but these things make things extremly close to "normal life" IMHO.

COVID-19 is not a "killer illness", but it still hits you on avg about 5 times harder than any other human coronavirus infection and provoking risk of getting infected is not something that you should really want nor need at any case.

Well yeah it'll be big business for some....hopefully they don't get too greedy and try to balance profit with compassion.

Some of that sounds good if the avoidance model(what I call non herd immunity actions) is put into effect for a longer period.....as for those who will or might do so: i'd think businesses would be able to do all that, and easily, but schools? Call me crazy, but I don't think some kids would want to wear masks for hours and not hug anyone.

Tbh if that's the case i'd rather we just take our chances(albeit with common sense measures like with other illnesses)......as I said above, i'd rather live normally(and many seem to feel the same) & take the risk than have to live my life like Adrian Monk(and have everyone else do the same) for all eternity.

What about asymptomatic cases supposedly being the majority outcome?

If the cali. testing is accurate then large swaths got it and recovered....that is, if that data is accurate.

Herdimmunity is most likely cataclysmic for every non-disciplined country that approachs it. Millions of deaths on account for the US alone (even if there is a IFR of 0.35% it still means that about a million americans must die). It is projected that about 6.000 people die in Sweden alone but the number may become much higher, as much as 20.000 in most liberal assumptions. I don't have to tell you why this is bad, I hope.

Not to mention that the issue whether or not you can reinfect yourself in a quick fashion still remains. If a ping-pong effect happens (infected people reinfect each other dynamically through direct community spread in quick succession until everyone is dead) then a safe vaccination is the only proper outcome, or else those who do not vaccinate and haven't been infected by a human coronavirus will die in due time. So at the very worst, prepare for about 250 million deaths in the US alone (excluding the truely asymptomatic cases, which are only asymptomatic because of prior HKU1 and OC43 infection, etc) in the US alone. Or a death rate which is quite close towards the upper scaling of Ebolas death rate, which seems to be the easiest and most safe calculation to make even if slightly inaccurate.

As this virus is a coronavirus I doubt this can happen though. A lot of experts also agree that "ping-pong" effects may be impossible or to its most extreme a absolute rarity.

Right now the virus is going through the populous like the vikings did with villages. Once this atypical "conquest" is done within the next 36 months we're smarter then before thats for sure :>!

Yes, they're included as well, which is why I wrote "IFR" and they also should stick to the rules. Anything else would be ignorant and dangerous for many reasons that you probably can figure out yourself. Its really not rocket science.

I meant the non vulnerable populations, obviously, and over time(i.e. flattening the curve)....not so much the elderly and such(most young/healthy people seem to not get sick at all from this, so they should in theory be mostly fine)

Now how to keep the elderly and vulnerable safe and not sick, well that's another story/matter.

Also as for sweden....20K sounds like a lot, but it's not....yeah, that likely makes me sound uncaring, but it's still not the "world killer" that the black death was.

(Yes, people dying is a tragic thing, but the sad truth is that people die & most who died were going to likely die soon enough anyways......this isn't making people drop where they stand and die in large swaths, is what I mean, and people should be cautious but not overly worry about this either.)

Tbh I don't think the rates will get that high.....people have been not following the measures at all in some areas and we don't see bodies piling up in those areas to a degree we would think would happen in such cases.

Of course, as said above, I meant(if society went that route) it would imo better to do such in a controlled manner and if possible the elderly and such should be kept from getting sick if possible.....I didn't mean I think people should just all get sick at once(if that's how it seemed from my prior posts).

Well yeah, like with other short term immunity/"immunity" then......hopefully we will get a vaccine then soon enough(and new ones made as needed) so we can go back to the "old normal" if possible as soon as possible.

Well tbh I am not as well versed as you seem to be with the terminology, and I wasn't sure if you'd included them or their data/etc in your posts.....thanks for clearing that up and explaining when and where needed.

A number of studies claim that cats can pick up the virus from owners or each other. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/cats-can-infect-coronavirus-study-finds/

(Note: The article has a "clickbait" style title, which imo doesn't reflect what the article is actually focusing on/about...it seems within the site rules, but if it isn't for some odd reason, I will remove it of course)

What are peoples thoughts. Are they overplaying the effects of an anti inflammatory drug? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/19/dexamethasone-covid-coronavirus/



Studies say that it isn't good enough and we need masks too.

https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/26046/20200613/study-confirms-airborne-transmission-dominant-route-covid-19-stressing-importance-wearing-mask.htm

A glass (aprox 200-250mls stat) of indian tonic water with a soluble asprin (aproxx 500mg) disolved in it taken evey few hours is a guaranteed cure all for many of todays most post-modernest diseases. It almost saved my gramaar but it was too late. ;*(

Don't know about that personally, though I do know zinc and other vitamins and minerals can help(along with other measures) to keep one as healthy as possible during all this.