Radiance1979: (...) interesting topic you raise there, a couple of years ago i was all in favor of universal basic income, these days i'm not so sure, i guess in a decent society i would be all in favor for but with the huge differences in income, background, education and capabilities i would not recommend the universal income
Seb7: Those differences would be erased by meanings of
https://basicincome.org/news/2020/09/the-cost-of-a-full-basic-income-for-the-united-kingdom-would-be-67-billion-per-year-3-4-of-gdp/ it looks very promising in UK not sure how it is in Netherlands, hoping for the best.
Once you on it, you could, of course, do nothing (well, still sleeping, eating, renting, pushing and pulling economy that way as some people actually do), yet you can still do courses and get new skills without being stopped because you weren't so lucky as your friend with rich parents. This is to eliminate differences in society. Your own will would drive you to develop best skills... and if you like expensive cars, faraway holidays, thick gold necklace or private jet plane then yh, paid job, a really well paid job would get you there, but how can you get all those necessary skills and papers to get that job, or even to fly for it without a help of universal basic income or someone else`s help ? Unless you are in a better position at the start than your colleague from a school bench. (unfair) How can you leave parents house without help, and what if your family is poor? (unfair) and why to enslave people for food money (unfair) where you can give these people happiness, fulfilment by developing skills for free, and gratitude of their families (country loving citizens) Debates are on, and its hot. Hopefully next year in UK, hopefully other countries taking it seriously, as these are real lives of real people. (childish thinking? I do not think so)
This is the
European Dream Universal Basic Income for Everyone (or equivalent in food and roof) I can go on...
This would help with transport to GOG`s place ^ and secure in-work test periods.
When I ruled Egypt, taxes where 10% and I paid myself big salary, and everywhere were artists and doctors and artisans. This was due to well managed export-import issues, I had my own gold mines (stones, papyrus, wine, et cetera) There were no expenses for war as I chose economy path, plants and fish for food (no big animals, too much space and costs and not very healthy), few hunters for equivalent, and people really liked to play games, it was
Senet they played... I am sure you played Pharaoh too, lol well, yes, this is up to the Ruler, of course, no one else.
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[i]Dear Ruler,
Please : )
I know you are a good Smurf deep inside ^ You just need to be firm to handle all this ruling stuff.
It will incomparably improve your image, and at the end people will judge you right, and you will look good again (well, better anyway) in eyes of Big Cosmic Ruler, that is responding to One Entity... that is responding to Force(Love) ...which is responding... yop, you got this,... by its children. Please do not be afraid of love, you will just get stronger and better in everything.
Kindest Regards
Seb7[/i]
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I belief this is more of a global thing then a local problem. The idea could probably be well executed in a static environment but in the current dynamic world we live in today. Netherlands for example knows a large part of workers from other countries that mix and match, some stay others will leave and the same goes for the refugees from other countries. All their papers will be checked, not to mention that, if for example the regime they fled from is deemed not dangerous enough they will be refused to stay and of course there is the real problem of a growing shortage on the cheap housing market which is not even enough to sustain the growth of the own population. Outside those problems it seems there are to much people that will use the base income for own life sustenance with no motivation what so ever to grow some income. eat sleep drink fuck repeat etc, this might be a bit of a chicken or the egg point in determining what comes first but personally i'd like to see the whole social environment in a better shape then it currently is before going over to something like a base income. There is already a bare minimum instituted in the netherlands where everyone has a right towards too if they submit to the right procedures and are deemed good for receiving ( really you need to be a criminal if your not deemed good ) which seems to fit the current social model quite well.
I do wonder about how a base income system would deal with fixed people requirements such as healthcare, police, justice etc etc etc since there seems to be a real possibility that you would find shortages across the board. Of course doctor is a well esteemed career choice if you have the brains and stamina for such a job and of course in the not so far future robots can or could take over, maybe if the automation really kicks in there will be a natural cross over towards a different economy system?
