Posted September 16, 2022
teceem
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Syphon72
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Posted September 16, 2022
I wish EA would let GOG release desert strike Amiga with the superior sound effect. If I remember correct the units had voice sounds which no version had. But please do not release the PC version with the horrible rotatory sound that hurt my ears.
Post edited September 16, 2022 by Syphon72
dtgreene
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Posted September 16, 2022
Darvond: (let's face it, the Amiga's library was 90% platformers by weight) relative lack of variety in the genres means that while Gods might be a grand time out on an Amiga, it's a beyond mediocre game on the SNES.
Doc0075: I have to strongly disagree with you as the Amiga was known for being strong across a number of genres but weak when compared to consoles in platformers and fighting games. Here is a rundown of what are commonly considered to be among the best Amiga games and you will notice that most are not platformers - Monkey Island 1 & 2, Lemmings, Sensible Soccer, Settlers, IK+, Cannon Fodder, The Chaos Engine, Turrican 2, Ambermoon, Hired Guns, Stunt Car Racer, Worms, Pinball Fantasies, Slamtilt, Wings, Flashback, Speedball 2, Syndicate, Lotus Turbo 1,2 &3, Eye of the Beholder 1 & 2, Moonstone: A Hard Days Knight, It Came from the Desert, James Pond: Robocod, Populous, Banshee, Frontier: Elite II, F-19 Stealth Fighter, Alien Breed, Rainbow Islands, Super Cars II, Battle Isle, Simon the Sorcerer, Midwinter and so on.
While the SNES was clearly better for JRPGs (especially if you count games that were only released in Japan) (can you name any JRPGs for the Amiga that were released during its lifespan?), the Amiga, I'm pretty sure, was better for WRPGs.
On the SNES, in terms of WRPGs, we have, from what I remember:
* Wizardry 5
* Wizardry 6 (JP only)
* WIzardry 1-3 (JP only, based on Famicom versions)
* Ultima 6 (I'm not going to count the SNES game called Ultima 7)
* Wizardry Gaiden 4 (JP only; even though developed in Japan, it plays like an early WRPG, with a lot of NPCs to interact with, non-linear gameplay, and multiple solutions to puzzles (including lockpicking and NPC murder)
* Might & Magic 2 (two versions, the JP version which is very different from other versions and the EU version which is a terrible port filled with bugs) and 3
* Eye of the Beholder
* Dungeon Master (but not Chaos Strikes Back)
* Arguably the Romancing SaGa series, but those straddle the line here and were all JP exclusive
On the Amiga, on the other hand, I'm aware of the following:
* Wizardry 6
* Ultima 3-5 (maybe 6?)
* Bard's Tale 1-3 (at least 1 has a bug that gives Bards extra attacks instead of Warriors, 3 is a bad, buggy port)
* Might and Magic 2 and 3
* Many of the Gold Box games (the SNES got none, the NES actually did get Pool of Radiance)
* Dungeon Master and Chaos Strikes Back
Now, it might look like the SNES might have the bigger WROG library from this list, but:
* I'm more familiar with the SNES library than the Amiga library
* There's all those Ultima and Bard's Tale games in those lists
* I have no idea how many Gold Box or SSI games the Amiga got in total, but it's definitely more than the 1 that appeared on the SNES
* Some might not count the Romancing SaGa games as WRPGs (though, compared to other JRPGs, they're very unconventional)
* Keep in mind that many of those SNES/SFC games saw only Japanese release on that platform
* I also don't know how many of the games listed here were bad ports, filled with bugs that make the game significantly less fun to play or, even worse, gamebreaking bugs
timppu
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Posted September 16, 2022
PirateNeilsouth: I saw this picture on IndieRetroNews and was like... MEMORIES!! Any 80s/90's gamers in this group? :)
"Unfortunately", by the time e.g. Lemmings and Secret of the Monkey Island were a thing, I had already pretty much migrated to PC gaming from Amiga. Maybe Lemmings was just released on Amiga when I still (barely) had it, but I think I learned about Lemmings first on PC. Apparently I was an early adopter to Amiga 500 (got one in around 1987/1988 or so, pretty much as soon as A500 became available here), as to me the dearest Amiga memories are games like:
Marble Madness (I think Amiga had the best home version of this particular arcade game)
Defender of the Crown
S.D.I.
Sinbad and the Throne of the Falcon (I really loved this game!)
Barbarian (Psygnosis)
Obliterator
Garrison
Starglider
Starglider II
Interceptor F/A-18
Elite
Falcon
Arctic Fox
etc.
Most games that other people tend to mention from their Amiga I remember better from PC, like Monkey Island games, Wing Commander, Space Quest III-IV etc.
Darvond: Nope, sorry. Had a SNES. And having seen various games ported from the Amiga to the SNES, I've developed this headcanon: The best Amiga Game was a good SNES game, but by the sheer gulf in quality and (let's face it, the Amiga's library was 90% platformers by weight) relative lack of variety in the genres means that while Gods might be a grand time out on an Amiga, it's a beyond mediocre game on the SNES.
I guess it depends when you had Amiga because the games I e.g. listed (released between 1986-1990 I think), only two of them can barely be considered "platformers" (Barbarian and Obliterator), but they were more like platform adventure games.. Did SNES have space combat "simulations" like Starglider II, or flight simulators like Interceptor F/A-18 or Falcon, or adventure games like Monkey Island 1-2, Space Quest 3 etc.? If anything, I'd say Amiga's variety in genres was greater than in SNES.
Post edited September 16, 2022 by timppu
DavidOrion93
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Posted September 16, 2022
I never had an Amiga, but still a nice picture.
I think the 80s were the best years. Fashion, style, music, maybe consoles and anime. I find it interesting to look back to see what I missed when I was a child.
I had a Tandy PC with single 3"1/2 floppy drive and 640k memory. With bigger games, you had to switch floppies when you're prompted to.
I think the 80s were the best years. Fashion, style, music, maybe consoles and anime. I find it interesting to look back to see what I missed when I was a child.
I had a Tandy PC with single 3"1/2 floppy drive and 640k memory. With bigger games, you had to switch floppies when you're prompted to.
dtgreene
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Posted September 16, 2022
timppu: Did SNES have space combat "simulations" like Starglider II, or flight simulators like Interceptor F-18 or Falcon, or adventure games like Monkey Island 1-2, Space Quest 3 etc.? If anything, I'd say Amiga's variety in genres was greater than in SNES.
Well, SNES *did* get Star Fox, and I'm pretty sure there were some other games that involve combat in a flying vehicle. The SNES, like other game consoles, just wasn't a home for adventure games (I can think of a few for the NES, but not the SNES), but remember that the Amiga didn't get any JRPGs to my knowledge.
Vainamoinen
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Posted September 17, 2022
It's the truth!!
... movies especially. I can name hundreds of great movies from the 80s, but looking at the 2010s ... maybe a dozen or two. It's like in the 80s, there were like five instant classics a month. Today, there are five Marvel movies a month plus some new variant of Frozen if we're really lucky.
... movies especially. I can name hundreds of great movies from the 80s, but looking at the 2010s ... maybe a dozen or two. It's like in the 80s, there were like five instant classics a month. Today, there are five Marvel movies a month plus some new variant of Frozen if we're really lucky.
Post edited September 17, 2022 by Vainamoinen
gog2002x
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Posted September 17, 2022
Vainamoinen: It's the truth!!
... movies especially. I can name hundreds of great movies from the 80s, but looking at the 2010s ... maybe a dozen or two. It's like in the 80s, there were like five instant classics a month. Today, there are five Marvel movies a month plus some new variant of Frozen if we're really lucky.
Not just the movies, there were so many memorable songs from the 80s and 90s too. Those two decades were just so amazing. Wait, Goonies was from back then right? Loved that movie and it just popped into my head lol. ... movies especially. I can name hundreds of great movies from the 80s, but looking at the 2010s ... maybe a dozen or two. It's like in the 80s, there were like five instant classics a month. Today, there are five Marvel movies a month plus some new variant of Frozen if we're really lucky.
Back to the subject. I don't recall if I had an Amiga. I know I had an Atari 2600 and Commodore 64. Either way, there some really fun games on consoles back then (Atari that is) and of course Arcades were a thing back then too. Jeez, how many quarters did I dump back then lol.
I did play some RPGs and JRPGs, but I can't recall if they were on consoles or PC.
Anyway, really good times back then. If I could rewind time, 80s & 90s would be the era. Great picture though. :)
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Leroux
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Posted September 17, 2022
From what I've seen, the Amiga had quite a lot of dungeon crawlers in the vein of Dungeon Master, Eye of the Beholder or The Bard's Tale. Among others there were:
* Legend of Faerghail
* Black Crypt
* Ambermoon
* Abandoned Places 1 & 2
* Fate: Gates of Dawn
* Dragon Wars
* Bloodwhych
* Xenomorph
* Crystals of Arborea and the Ishar series
* Spirit of Adventure and Realms of Arkania: Blade of Destiny
as well as some Ultima style RPGs like
* The Magic Candle
* Temple of Apshai Trilogy
* Lord of the Rings Vol. 1
and also RPG-lite games like
* The Faery Tale Adventure (real time action)
* Darkmere & Dragonstone (Zelda-like real time action)
* Rings of Medusa 1 & 2 (RPG/strategy/business sim crossover)
* Legend etc.
So yeah, I think it's fair to say that RPGs and RPG-like fantasy games were pretty prominent on the Amiga.
* Legend of Faerghail
* Black Crypt
* Ambermoon
* Abandoned Places 1 & 2
* Fate: Gates of Dawn
* Dragon Wars
* Bloodwhych
* Xenomorph
* Crystals of Arborea and the Ishar series
* Spirit of Adventure and Realms of Arkania: Blade of Destiny
as well as some Ultima style RPGs like
* The Magic Candle
* Temple of Apshai Trilogy
* Lord of the Rings Vol. 1
and also RPG-lite games like
* The Faery Tale Adventure (real time action)
* Darkmere & Dragonstone (Zelda-like real time action)
* Rings of Medusa 1 & 2 (RPG/strategy/business sim crossover)
* Legend etc.
So yeah, I think it's fair to say that RPGs and RPG-like fantasy games were pretty prominent on the Amiga.
Post edited September 17, 2022 by Leroux
darktjm
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Posted September 18, 2022
I guess. I expected the picture to be a photo, not a drawing. I only see 3 things in that picture I owned: a 500, a 1084, and a HRM. And I think using the HRM as a mouse pad is sacrelige. I suppose it doesn't really convey an Amiga to me, because I saw it differently. I played games, obviously (none of the pictured ones except Lemmings), but I took the machine much more seriously. I don't really respect the notion many put out that if Commodore had only promoted it as more of a games machine, it would've been more successful for that reason, and the fact that I blame most of their failure on the fact that the board was full of crooks and the company was likely being used as a money laundering operation. Never liked the whole "the Amiga is a video toaster" attitude towards the end of its lifespan, either. It was only a matter of time before NewTek would port their stuff to a more profitable platform.
Oh well. I still have my old Amiga HDD images (containing most, but unfortunately not all, of my old Amiga floppy contents), and will probably retain them long after I abandon Linux for good. Watching the "Intel Outside" logo as it boots is what brings back memories for me. Running too many shells and editor windows, much like I run shells in X today. In fact, I'm planning on using an FPGA to emulate an Amiga, possibly in a gutted original Amiga, real soon now. The only thing missing would be my hommade detached keyboard and my hommade glued-in extra PIO card connecter that spliced into the CIA's CS/address space. The FPGA is better for the later, though.
Sorry, uncontrollable old fogey rambling. I loved the Amiga. Too bad it died, but it died. I may be able to play the games I used to play, but I can't bring back the whole hobbyist attitude I had back then, and Linux doesn't inspire me in the same way (or at all, really; I only use it because everything else sucks even more). In fact, Linux angers me so much lately that I might just give up and finally become the Windows user I was probably always meant to be after abandoning my Amiga for the PC clone world. Dammit, more rambling. I'll shut up now.
Oh well. I still have my old Amiga HDD images (containing most, but unfortunately not all, of my old Amiga floppy contents), and will probably retain them long after I abandon Linux for good. Watching the "Intel Outside" logo as it boots is what brings back memories for me. Running too many shells and editor windows, much like I run shells in X today. In fact, I'm planning on using an FPGA to emulate an Amiga, possibly in a gutted original Amiga, real soon now. The only thing missing would be my hommade detached keyboard and my hommade glued-in extra PIO card connecter that spliced into the CIA's CS/address space. The FPGA is better for the later, though.
Sorry, uncontrollable old fogey rambling. I loved the Amiga. Too bad it died, but it died. I may be able to play the games I used to play, but I can't bring back the whole hobbyist attitude I had back then, and Linux doesn't inspire me in the same way (or at all, really; I only use it because everything else sucks even more). In fact, Linux angers me so much lately that I might just give up and finally become the Windows user I was probably always meant to be after abandoning my Amiga for the PC clone world. Dammit, more rambling. I'll shut up now.
Telika
Registered: Apr 2012
From Switzerland
Posted September 18, 2022
darktjm: I don't really respect the notion many put out that if Commodore had only promoted it as more of a games machine, it would've been more successful for that reason,
Actually, I had a lot of families around me that wouldn't ever buy an Amiga, precisely because they considered it more of a "gaming console" than a real computer. By buying PCs and Mac, they felt like they were buying the real thing (which "happened to" also run games, even if, hypocritically enough, they complained about how few and how lame in comparison to the Amiga's). I had numerous, long, tedious discussions with such people. And it really felt like an identity matter : videogaming was both desired and disparaged, with people hoping for it with the excuse of an office tool (which the Amiga "secretly" was, just like PCs and Macs were "secretly" used for gaming). Again, it was a shame that the serious aspects of the Amiga weren't promoted enough, it would simply have entered more households around me. And when it started going full CD32, the argument was lost.
SpecShadow
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Posted September 18, 2022
I only got Amiga CD32, which was mostly home pinball machine for the family, so I don't feel any connection beside love for old games.
cosevecchie
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Posted September 20, 2022
PirateNeilsouth: I saw this picture on IndieRetroNews and was like... MEMORIES!! Any 80s/90's gamers in this group? :)
Here I am... well, I must confess I was also expecting a photo of a real Amiga, but nice little picture nonetheless.Doc0075: The Amiga is my favourite computer of all time (specifically the A500).
Between us, me and my brother went from ZX81 - Commodore Plus/4 - Spectrum 48k and then we went our separate ways with my brother getting a Spectrum 128k and then a Spectrum +2 (both great computers), while I was lucky enough to get an A500 for my birthday.
The Amiga was a game changer, people who didn't live through the 8 bit and 16 bit eras don't realise just how mind-blowing the leap in quality was. Most of the games released early in its life didn't even touch upon what it was capable of (damn you crappy ST ports) but it was still full of WOW moments coming from the Spectrum/C64/Amstrad.
I made the transition from 8-bit (C64) to the A500 as well, and yes, it was mind-blowing. I subscribe every word. Between us, me and my brother went from ZX81 - Commodore Plus/4 - Spectrum 48k and then we went our separate ways with my brother getting a Spectrum 128k and then a Spectrum +2 (both great computers), while I was lucky enough to get an A500 for my birthday.
The Amiga was a game changer, people who didn't live through the 8 bit and 16 bit eras don't realise just how mind-blowing the leap in quality was. Most of the games released early in its life didn't even touch upon what it was capable of (damn you crappy ST ports) but it was still full of WOW moments coming from the Spectrum/C64/Amstrad.
I'd say that, compared to some of the consoles of that era, the Amiga might have had slightly inferior graphical capabilities, and suffered a bit in some areas (for example arcade conversions), but it was a real computer, with some powerful, advanced features and a greater variety in terms of games (not just platformers).
It was more or less the same for me.
timppu
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Posted September 20, 2022
cose_vecchie: I made the transition from 8-bit (C64) to the A500 as well, and yes, it was mind-blowing. I subscribe every word.
I'd say that, compared to some of the consoles of that era, the Amiga might have had slightly inferior graphical capabilities, and suffered a bit in some areas (for example arcade conversions), but it was a real computer, with some powerful, advanced features and a greater variety in terms of games (not just platformers).
One should remember though that Amiga was released earlier than e.g. Sega Genesis and SNES. I'd say that, compared to some of the consoles of that era, the Amiga might have had slightly inferior graphical capabilities, and suffered a bit in some areas (for example arcade conversions), but it was a real computer, with some powerful, advanced features and a greater variety in terms of games (not just platformers).
Amiga A1000: July 1985 (I saw and played this already in 1986 in some computer trade shows as a kid, and was blown away... also by its price. :( )
Amiga A500: April 1987 (I think I got one myself in late 1987, as soon as I could).
Sega Genesis/Megadrive: Japan October 1988, elsewhere late 1989 and 1990
SNES: Japan November 1990, elsewhere during 1991-1994.
So if you were an early adopter to Amigas, you got it one or several years before the "better" consoles even became available.
I recall reading about Sega Megadrive the first time from some European gaming magazine, I had had my Amiga 500 for some time already by then.
By the time SNES (Super Nintendo) was released in Europe (1992), I had already migrated to PC gaming, already sold my Amiga long before that.
Yeah I recall both (late) Amiga 1200 users and SNES gamers badmouthing PC gaming... up until Doom appeared. :) I recall how some console gaming magazine even run a review of playing PC Doom, and pretty much declaring it eclipsed any games you could play on SNES or Megadrive.
PC gamers could think of themselves as the gaming master race... up until Playstation (and Sega Saturn and N64) appeared, which again made PC gaming look a bit dated in comparison, at least for a few years.
Post edited September 20, 2022 by timppu
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