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OP your unnecessary anger might needs professional help. There are plenty of games released every months which will suit your taste. No needs you get angry because you do not like a game.

Baldur's Gate 3 will be a very good CRPG when completed in 2 years.
Post edited November 03, 2020 by jeromedetraz
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jeromedetraz: Baldur's Gate 3 will be a very good CRPG when completed in 2 years.
But actually one that I won't buy. Personally, I don't like Larian games. So I kind of understand that the OP is disappointed that the BG license went to Larian. But there are many players who like Larian and who will probably like the D:OS in BG clothes. Frankly it is impossible to please everyone. Anyone trying their hands on a BG-sequel would have a hard time doing justice to the old games. So there will always be players who are disappointed or angry at whatever creative decision a dev takes.

Probably it would have been best to let the BG franchise rest and let the old games age in peace. They are still very good. However, there is money in the name and computer games are a business. So it was only a question of time until the name was picked up by someone. And while I don't like Larian, it is still way better that BG3 will be an actual single-player CRPG than if the franchise had gone the mobile or online-only way.

tl;dr: the game won't be for me. But there will probably be many who will enjoy it. Good for them and no reason to rage. Especially not before the game is finished.
You call Fallout 2 a gem, and many others rave similarly about Morrowind, but frankly I found those two games a bit naff. And it's not because they're old. I've been PC gaming since the 1980s. I can still un-fondly recall hand-typing code (into my crappy ZX Spectrum), as games used to come that way, line-by-line print in gaming magazines. No, Fallout 2 (and Morrowind) have clunky mechanics and stoylines that are only "more grown-up" if you're an easily impressed tweenager.

I don't like most games on GOG, nor much of the claims made by promoters. But 'twas always thus - back in the day I'd go into a store and didn't like 95% of titles, would finally buy something and often find the claims on the box were over-egged. But back then at least half of PC games seemed more for thinkers, whereas console games were almost always like children's arcade fluff. Nowadays it's sadly much more diffuse. Too much development is on looks, graphics grunt, and multiplayer - not on single player campaigns or an AI to challenge them, or random maps for single player replayability.

I play newer titles once or twice for a change of scene. But then always drift back to old games like Red Baron 3D, Silent Hunter III, Combat Mission (Afrika Korps or Barbarossa), Medieval 2 Total War, Hearts of Iron Darkest Hour. And some Call of Duty 1 or 2 (or Fallout 3), when I'm in the mood for just pulling out a machine gun (or laser) and shooting something...

As a game seller GOG provides one HUGE service - they give you the option to manually download a game that is steam-free and DRM-free. And do some patching for modern operating systems. For that they get my gold star, two gold stars!
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miracle.flame: Maybe that Mafwek we're talking about here is also making up his own ideas which have nothing to do with reality.
If you wanna talk about reality, you should first know that nothing is true and everything is permitted.
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Lifthrasil: But actually one that I won't buy. Personally, I don't like Larian games. So I kind of understand that the OP is disappointed that the BG license went to Larian. But there are many players who like Larian and who will probably like the D:OS in BG clothes. Frankly it is impossible to please everyone. Anyone trying their hands on a BG-sequel would have a hard time doing justice to the old games. So there will always be players who are disappointed or angry at whatever creative decision a dev takes.

Probably it would have been best to let the BG franchise rest and let the old games age in peace. They are still very good. However, there is money in the name and computer games are a business. So it was only a question of time until the name was picked up by someone. And while I don't like Larian, it is still way better that BG3 will be an actual single-player CRPG than if the franchise had gone the mobile or online-only way.

tl;dr: the game won't be for me. But there will probably be many who will enjoy it. Good for them and no reason to rage. Especially not before the game is finished.
I understand your opinion, but I find it lacking. I have no problem with Larian using Baldur's Game name for a CRPG taking place in Forgotten Realms, Forgotten Realms and it's cities are more than Bhaalspwan Saga after all. Heck, Bioware didn't even made first Neverwinter Nights game! It would be wiser if they called it Baldur's Gate: Rise of the Illithids or something IMHO.

About doing justice, as far as I am concerned Larian games are better RPG-s than old Baldur's Gate games ever were, and according to one critic I follow Baldur's Gate 3 is on the good way top previous entries in the "series" as well. But if you don't like Larian games, you will disagree with me, and that's fine.

P. S. And I do agree, BG 2 is still very good though.
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Lifthrasil: But there are many players who like Larian and who will probably like the D:OS in BG clothes.
Sorry, but I really don't understand this viewpoint. This page shows how many games have been made using the Unreal engine (literally hundreds). So, by your logic, those are all Unreal with 'different clothes'?

If an engine is good and solid (which the Divinity engine seems to be), why not use it for other games? Why not allow developers to focus on content, rather than having to waste resources developing yet another RPG engine from scratch?
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Lifthrasil: But there are many players who like Larian and who will probably like the D:OS in BG clothes.
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Time4Tea: Sorry, but I really don't understand this viewpoint. This page shows how many games have been made using the Unreal engine (literally hundreds). So, by your logic, those are all Unreal with 'different clothes'?

If an engine is good and solid (which the Divinity engine seems to be), why not use it for other games? Why not allow developers to focus on content, rather than having to waste resources developing yet another RPG engine from scratch?
It's not about the engine. What gave you the idea that I was taling about the engine? The engine is irrelevant for the feel of the game. But if you read the in-dev reviews, what Larian is developing there is more D:OS 3 than Baldur's Gate 3. Which isn't surprising since D:OS is their big success and, obviously, the kind of game they like.
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Whining about GOG's catalogue... seems it never stops.

"Why doesn't GOG get more big-name games? New games are released all the time!"
*GOG gets Outer Worlds and Baldur's Gate III on Day 1*
"No, those are horrible sinful acts! SJW nonsense! Reskins of common engines!
*GOG gets indie-games with innovative mechanics and styles, including darlings such as Limbo, Gris and Spelunky*
"What kind of indie shovelware is this? Why doesn't GOG get good old games?"
*GOG gets Diablo, Blade Runner, Metal Gear, etc.*

Repeat. Ad. Infinitum.

There are still serious issues being faced by GOG. Aside from those mentioned above, there's also the fact that parity is still not happening for many releases (that's the reason I bought Outer Worlds on Steam). GOG releasing a game you don't like? Not one of these issues.
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Lifthrasil: It's not about the engine. What gave you the idea that I was taling about the engine? The engine is irrelevant for the feel of the game. But if you read the in-dev reviews, what Larian is developing there is more D:OS 3 than Baldur's Gate 3. Which isn't surprising since D:OS is their big success and, obviously, the kind of game they like.
The only thing it has in common with D:OS is that it is using the same engine and it is being made by the same developer (Larian), although with heavy involvement from Wizards of the Coast, who are providing guidance on the setting, lore, artistic direction, etc. So, if you're not referring to the engine, I'm not sure what you are referring to.

Was Fallout 3 just Elder Scrolls with a Fallout skin on it? Was KOTOR just Neverwinter Nights, with a Star Wars skin on it? (those games were made by the same developer, with a re-used engine)

I haven't played BG3. but I've watched many gameplay videos and from what I've seen, it looks like a very authentic D&D experience that just happens to be using the Divinity engine. Compared to Fallout 3, at least Larian are staying truer to the basic type of game the original BG games were.
Post edited November 03, 2020 by Time4Tea
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miracle.flame: The point here is that those names have been completely abused. Someone might think if the latest game is like this what kind of crap are those previous? I do care about this part...

Trying out before buying and being disappointed and annoyed that a cult name is being raped like there's no tomorrow is not something I could be OK about.
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Breja: Huh?
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miracle.flame: Maybe read those reviews to get the idea.
I mean do people think Mario's gone to crap because Super Mario Sunshine, Mario Teaches Typing, Mario's Early Years, Mario's Time Machine, Super Mario Special, and other games of the series that didn't do so hot?
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I say let people play and enjoy whatever they want and let developers create whatever art they want. Life is too short to be disgruntled over video games.

If a video game is truly bad, or a video game developer is truly greedy or devious, then reviews and sales will reflect that and it kind of takes care of itself. And in the case it doesn't (I mean, look at how many people play Fortnite and support Epic), there's no reason to be angry. Life goes on and you have the power to not support what you do not like or enjoy.

I personally think it's cool that Larian has created a new Baldur's Gate game. I'm not entirely sure what criteria would need to be met for it to "feel" like the first two without blatantly recreating them with modern graphics.

I won't be buying it until it's fully finished, and no one has to buy it if they don't like it - they can go play one of the first two BG games for the 60th time. That's the beauty of free will.
I don't know enough about the games or devs the OP mentioned, to comment on them specifically.

However, this issue isn't just happening in the Game industry, similar things have been happening in the Movie industry and beyond, for a good while now.

Who are we to second guess the creative process?
From what I have learned in life's journey, people's skills vary and have strong points and weak points.

Take the music world and those very qualified Classical musicians who play in orchestras. They are highly skilled, but many of them fail at creating their own music or improvisation ... that is not their skillset. Should we criticize them for playing the same old stuff all the time, and not providing something wonderful of their own?

The game industry is full of people with a wide variety of skills, and while many are very creative in a narrow focus, most are not big vision creative. So while one might think devs sell their soul, usually they just want to engage in what they do best, and let others worry about the big ideas ... they also need to make a buck in what is a very cutthroat industry much of the time. No doubt many would prefer to be working on something unique, but hanging out for such rarely pays the bills.

All that said, I understand where the OP is coming from. But what he wants is not possible in such a Capitalist based industry. Hell, I am still amazed that GOG have lasted this long, in such an industry.
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amok: edit - oh, and gOg players reviews - Baldur's Gate 3 has a score of 4.3/5, and Outer Worlds 4.2/5. neither seems very bad at all to me. looks like your views are in a minority?
I thought I'll help you around as you seem to have trouble seeing what the actual rating is. Please take your time to check again that rating of Outer Worlds is actually 3.7 You can see rating right under the title of the game. (feel free to forget about verified owners rating as those who care to get verified are mostly bought - owner of 1 game with 1 review etc.)

Titles of Outer Worlds reviews you should read through:
Ugh
Wasted potential
Okay shooter, bad RPG, terrible writing
Greedy developers up to the throat!
Boring and uninspired
DUMB roleplay is awfull
Greatest disappointment in my life.
One of the worst RPG ever made
Poorly Written Woke Trash
Painful Mediocrity
Greatest dissapointemnt in a long time
Mostly forgettable
Sadly, Outer Worlds is mediocre.
Wasted potential
Wasted Potential
Outer Worlds is just boring!


Likewise Baldur's Gate 3 has rating 3.9 (see right under the title of the game)
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Breja: Because it's not possible to call a computer game a "horrible sinful act" and not sound like a total blowhard.
Yet your hands have also touched the very tool of the devil, its twisted machinery that will damn your soul beyond salvation. Repent while you still can!

... and don't even think to wonder what I meant, like that Cohen guy.

P.S. Is it just me, or is the number of threads one can reply to in a serious manner drastically diminishing on this forum?
Post edited November 04, 2020 by WinterSnowfall
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amok: edit - oh, and gOg players reviews - Baldur's Gate 3 has a score of 4.3/5, and Outer Worlds 4.2/5. neither seems very bad at all to me. looks like your views are in a minority?
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miracle.flame: I thought I'll help you around as you seem to have trouble seeing what the actual rating is. Please take your time to check again that rating of Outer Worlds is actually 3.7
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I thought you where talking about gOg customers....

Please take your time to check the number a little bit to the right of the number you are quoteing - what does it say?