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Posted January 13, 2018
I've found a quote about planned microcode CPU updates:
Skylake and above are ETA end of Jan 2018, Haswell and Boardwell are Feb 2018, Sandy Ivy Maybe late March 2018. Westmere and Nehalem May April 2018.
So we can't expect any realistic tests on performance drops for "older setups" before summer.
Post edited January 13, 2018 by Lexor
Posted January 13, 2018
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pmcollectorboy: The update with the patch for Spectre and Meltdown is sitting behind a permission wall. I could easily uncheck them and send the rest of the updates on through. The way it's disguised with innocuous wording doesn't fill me with much hope. Yesterday I had created a restore point before connecting to the internet.
Dare I install them?
I suppose I'm too late but setting up a restore point won't do any good. Once that update is done it won't let you restore to a point prior to it.
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pmcollectorboy: Something borking or a reduction in performance.
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misteryo: Unless you run a server or a cloud service, you won't even notice a change in performance.
I don't do either and I do notice a difference. Prior to update when I played Fallout 4 (on this exact same laptop) the only time I got "glitchy" frame rates (or whatever you call them when the frame slows down so that things become.... I dunno... almost like it's flickering???) anyway only time i got them was in downtown Boston and maybe one or two other places. I'm getting them ALL THE TIME now. I had turn darn near everything off. And playing at the same resolution too (1920X1080).

I also notice a difference in load times of games I've played a lot.

Others can disbelieve me if they want, but I know what I'm experiencing.
Post edited January 13, 2018 by OldFatGuy
Posted January 15, 2018
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pmcollectorboy: The update with the patch for Spectre and Meltdown is sitting behind a permission wall. I could easily uncheck them and send the rest of the updates on through. The way it's disguised with innocuous wording doesn't fill me with much hope. Yesterday I had created a restore point before connecting to the internet.
Dare I install them?
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OldFatGuy: I suppose I'm too late but setting up a restore point won't do any good. Once that update is done it won't let you restore to a point prior to it.
Afaik MS forces this update on Win10 but not on WIn7 so maybe this is just the case for Win10? Do you use Win10 or Win7?
Post edited January 15, 2018 by MarkoH01
Posted January 15, 2018
I believe I have 8.1
Posted January 15, 2018
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pmcollectorboy: I believe I have 8.1
What CPU do you have?

As far as I know update for Win 7 was retracted from auto as it caused "bugs" on older CPUs from AMD.
Maybe its also the case for Win 8.1?
Post edited January 15, 2018 by Lexor
Posted January 15, 2018
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pmcollectorboy: I believe I have 8.1
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Lexor: What CPU do you have?

As far as I know update for Win 7 was retracted from auto as it caused "bugs" on older CPUs from AMD.
Maybe its also the case for Win 8.1?
I don't remember precisely what it is, but I know it's an i7. I changed my settings so that my laptop asks for permission before downloading and installation of an update, and the patch is still sitting as a checkmark that I haven't applied yet.
Posted January 16, 2018
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OldFatGuy: I suppose I'm too late but setting up a restore point won't do any good. Once that update is done it won't let you restore to a point prior to it.
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MarkoH01: Afaik MS forces this update on Win10 but not on WIn7 so maybe this is just the case for Win10? Do you use Win10 or Win7?
I am on Win 10 on this laptop.
Posted January 16, 2018
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Lexor: What CPU do you have?

As far as I know update for Win 7 was retracted from auto as it caused "bugs" on older CPUs from AMD.
Maybe its also the case for Win 8.1?
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pmcollectorboy: I don't remember precisely what it is, but I know it's an i7. I changed my settings so that my laptop asks for permission before downloading and installation of an update, and the patch is still sitting as a checkmark that I haven't applied yet.
I would wait for the next "Security/Quality" roll-up update package after all the CPU bugs/performance kinks have been worked out. Let the "dust settle", so to speak.
Posted January 16, 2018
I understand the overall urge to be safe, but on the other hand it could be "dangerous" to use patch right away, just after its release. Windows updates are ok-ish, but BIOS... I think I'll wait a little more.
Posted January 17, 2018
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Posted January 19, 2018
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pmcollectorboy: I don't remember precisely what it is, but I know it's an i7. I changed my settings so that my laptop asks for permission before downloading and installation of an update, and the patch is still sitting as a checkmark that I haven't applied yet.
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ryuken3k: I would wait for the next "Security/Quality" roll-up update package after all the CPU bugs/performance kinks have been worked out. Let the "dust settle", so to speak.
Best practice.
Posted January 19, 2018
I think this link is another reason to wait "a little longer":
http://www.techradar.com/news/intel-admits-that-meltdown-and-spectre-patch-problems-affect-newer-cpus

TL;DR - It seems that not only patches for the older CPUs (like Haswell, Broadwell) are kind of bugged and can cause restarts and/or BSODs - that info "works" also for the newer ones (Skylake, Kaby Lake).
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